PLEASE have some sort of balance in PotD? Introduce some sort of checkpoint system.

[DarkPikachu]

finally challenging content for light parties and everyone wants to ruin it
i hope they never listen to you

Thanks for the lovely input lol how does starting at floor 100 with the same premade party after a wipe effect the challenge of Potd? its not like we are asking for a nerf on how hard the bosses hit. Nothing difficulty wise should change, and lets be honest 51-100 is not difficult is it so what is the problem with skipping it with the party that have already cleared floor 51-100 already? 51-100 is just "meh" I understand we have to run it with a new party every time but with the same premade party - and you wipe surely you could start at floor 100 instead of going all the way back? Ive seen this requested by several people in the forums now.

[SuperZay]

finally challenging content for light parties and everyone wants to ruin it
i hope they never listen to you

How are mandatory 51-100 floors even remotely challenging? It's FATEs difficulty trash mobs which should be skippable. Makes no sense to waste 2-3 hours every time on this.

[DarkPikachu]

How are mandatory 51-100 floors even remotely challenging? It's FATEs difficulty trash mobs which should be skippable. Makes no sense to waste 2-3 hours every time on this.

exactly my point for this entire post lol

[MomomiMomi]

How are mandatory 51-100 floors even remotely challenging? It's FATEs difficulty trash mobs which should be skippable. Makes no sense to waste 2-3 hours every time on this.

They're not, but that's not what permadeath is about. It's about adding weight to your choices. Every move could be your last, and you fear dying because of the loss of progress.

51-100 adds to that weight.

[Genaxx]

I died on my solo run, it was pretty heartbreaking.

I really want to try it again but I dont want to have to start from 51 again when that's not the challenge. Please just let us start from 101 once unlocked!

[Airget]

No to this idea because the content is designed as a challenge.The challenge would be lost if you could just skip part of it that makes it the challenge and that's the journey of overcoming the mob mechanics, boss mechanics, item useage etc etc. If you could just go from 100-150 and then reset from 150 it would be a joke because you would bypass 50% of the ambush traps, explosive traps, frog traps, etc etc. The fun of it is knowing you are going to lose everything from one false move and there is excitement to be had when you finally succeed. Making it easier just because you don't want to do the journey again is a poor excuse cause the truth is nothing is forcing you to do all 100 floors in one day. POTD is not designed to be done in one day but ti's the players desire to do it in one day that makes them scream to make it easier because they want to one day it like every other piece of content.

However POTD is something you could do 50/50/50/50 if you start from 1 and go to 200. Then you are looking at about 5hrs each run more or less depending on pace, at least from 100-200 you might be looking at 5hrs to get to 50 floors. but see, even that could be turned into 1hr a day. You get it done in 20 days, is that so bad? No. Enjoy the journey and understand that yes there are huge penalties once you lose, that's what makes it exciting, there is a lot to lose from failing.

[ErryK]

I didn't say SE could do something about our individual ISP issues, just that as a developer they should have been conscious to those issues when putting together floors 101+. Having progress reset because of a ingame bugs, is something that should also be considered even with how rare they are.

Fair enough, my example is flawed in the sense that you cannot do anything about the ISP failing, but it is not SE's job to make sure you retain your progress because of a DC. The game works around having perfect conditions in its mechanics, it's the same reason why the LB bar resets if someone DC's. And asking them to save your progress because of an ingame glitch is asking a little bit much, it's like asking EA to rollback your progress on a Titanfall Tournament or something to that effect because the game froze on you.

How are mandatory 51-100 floors even remotely challenging? It's FATEs difficulty trash mobs which should be skippable. Makes no sense to waste 2-3 hours every time on this.

Die to a pack of mobs on floors 91-100? Start again

[Jetstream_Fox]

Fair enough, my example is flawed in the sense that you cannot do anything about the ISP failing, but it is not SE's job to make sure you retain your progress because of a DC. The game works around having perfect conditions in its mechanics, it's the same reason why the LB bar resets if someone DC's.And asking them to save your progress because of an ingame glitch is asking a little bit much, it's like asking EA to rollback your progress on a Titanfall Tournament or something to that effect because the game froze on you.

Two key points here

Point one
The game works around players playing PotD with 100% skill and effort on 101+ you cannot at anytime prep for a dc ever, it is not a game mechanic, a tank can't tank dc issues, a healer can't esuna, leeches, or exalted detriment the datacenter or ISP of it's connection debuff, nor can a BRD wardens paean the connection debuff, and dps can't dps fake traffic flooding the server in the event of a ddos. Connection issues aren't game mechanics, never ever in history would a boss be built around players fighting the server or cable companies to ensure they beat said content. Developing content based on such a uncontrollable factor is down right idotic and plain ridiculous. Mechanics are things players can control in front of them and adjust accordingly, something we learn from in order to obtain a common goal.

Point two
Official game tournaments can be restarted if game breaking bugs are discovered, here is a excerpt taken from the official Call of Duty tournament rules:

"e. Game Breaking Bugs. If a Player finds that a Game Breaking Bug is occurring, they should notify a Tournament Official immediately. If the Tournament Official is able to confirm that a game breaking bug has occurred, they will determine whether or not the affect Round/Game should be restarted, the Game win should be awarded to a Team, or the conditions under which the Round/Game should be resume. List of Game Breaking Bug below:

i. Character hasn't respawned after the proper amount of time.

ii. Character isn't properly arming or disarming the bomb.

iii. Character isn't properly picking up or capturing the flag.

iv. Character isn't properly able to Aim Down Sights (ADS).

v. The Uplink Satellite hasn't reset after 15 seconds of being unreachable"

https://www.callofduty.com/esports/s...mps-2016-Rules

Two rules involving mechanical issues that restart a tournament match at EVO

"Once replacement equipment is obtained, the player is given the rest of the round to configure their buttons and test the new equipment. If the player gains an undue advantage by doing so (e.g. charging an abundance of super meter), they must forfeit the Game.
A player may opt to switch out equipment between Games at no penalty. When this occurs, the player will be given ample time to configure his buttons before the next Game begins."

http://evo.shoryuken.com/tournament-rules/#equipment

A nice little bit on Madden tournaments

"301.9 Disconnects and Other Stoppages in play In the event of a disconnect or stoppage in play, it is the responsibility of both competitors to reach out to tournament admins for a resolution. Disconnections are not automatic grounds for a loss unless determined by an administrator or if one competitor explicitly forfeits.

If a participant unintentionally disconnects from the game and is not able to reconnect to the game, then tournament officials will determine if the game state can be restored to a similar point. If the game cannot be restored, then the tournament administrator will use their judgement on how to restart the game.

301.9a Example: If a participant intentionally disconnects from the game and is not able to reconnect to the game, then a loss will be given to the participant. It is at the sole discretion of the tournament administrator as to what constitutes an intentional disconnect.

301.9b Example: A player unintentionally disconnects at the 2:20 mark of the 3rd quarter with possession of the ball on the 50-yard line. The score of the game was 20-14. A tournament administrator instructs the game to resume in the 1st quarter with the implied score to be 20-14 and the implied quarter to be the 3rd. The clock will be run down to 2:20 with possession established as close to possible around the 50 yard line. The competitors will play until halftime to determine the winner."

http://www.maddenchallenge.com/rules

So you really want to sit here and tell me SE couldn't do anything about resetting progress due to bugs or dcs? But Madden, EVO, and Call of Duty can and do in the middle of tournaments where actual money is on the line? If you or anyone can sit there and tell me that losing because of dc issues is still acceptable when a joke of a game like Madden let's it players resume due to connection issues, read that a million times MADDEN AND EA HAD THE BRAINS TO UNDERSTAND DISCONNECTIONS SHOULDN'T DETERMINE OUTCOMES OF GAMES. But good old SE racking in that 15 a month can put out content with such a flawed system and people defend it?

[Neophyte]

Two key points here

Point one
The game works around players playing PotD with 100% skill and effort on 101+ you cannot at anytime prep for a dc ever, it is not a game mechanic, a tank can't tank dc issues, a healer can't esuna, leeches, or exalted detriment the datacenter or ISP of it's connection debuff, nor can a BRD wardens paean the connection debuff, and dps can't dps fake traffic flooding the server in the event of a ddos. Connection issues aren't game mechanics, never ever in history would a boss be built around players fighting the server or cable companies to ensure they beat said content. Developing content based on such a uncontrollable factor is down right idotic and plain ridiculous. Mechanics are things players can control in front of them and adjust accordingly, something we learn from in order to obtain a common goal.

Point two
Official game tournaments can be restarted if game breaking bugs are discovered, here is a excerpt taken from the official Call of Duty tournament rules:

"e. Game Breaking Bugs. If a Player finds that a Game Breaking Bug is occurring, they should notify a Tournament Official immediately. If the Tournament Official is able to confirm that a game breaking bug has occurred, they will determine whether or not the affect Round/Game should be restarted, the Game win should be awarded to a Team, or the conditions under which the Round/Game should be resume. List of Game Breaking Bug below:

i. Character hasn't respawned after the proper amount of time.

ii. Character isn't properly arming or disarming the bomb.

iii. Character isn't properly picking up or capturing the flag.

iv. Character isn't properly able to Aim Down Sights (ADS).

v. The Uplink Satellite hasn't reset after 15 seconds of being unreachable"

https://www.callofduty.com/esports/s...mps-2016-Rules

Two rules involving mechanical issues that restart a tournament match at EVO

"Once replacement equipment is obtained, the player is given the rest of the round to configure their buttons and test the new equipment. If the player gains an undue advantage by doing so (e.g. charging an abundance of super meter), they must forfeit the Game.
A player may opt to switch out equipment between Games at no penalty. When this occurs, the player will be given ample time to configure his buttons before the next Game begins."

http://evo.shoryuken.com/tournament-rules/#equipment

A nice little bit on Madden tournaments

"301.9 Disconnects and Other Stoppages in play In the event of a disconnect or stoppage in play, it is the responsibility of both competitors to reach out to tournament admins for a resolution. Disconnections are not automatic grounds for a loss unless determined by an administrator or if one competitor explicitly forfeits.

If a participant unintentionally disconnects from the game and is not able to reconnect to the game, then tournament officials will determine if the game state can be restored to a similar point. If the game cannot be restored, then the tournament administrator will use their judgement on how to restart the game.

301.9a Example: If a participant intentionally disconnects from the game and is not able to reconnect to the game, then a loss will be given to the participant. It is at the sole discretion of the tournament administrator as to what constitutes an intentional disconnect.

301.9b Example: A player unintentionally disconnects at the 2:20 mark of the 3rd quarter with possession of the ball on the 50-yard line. The score of the game was 20-14. A tournament administrator instructs the game to resume in the 1st quarter with the implied score to be 20-14 and the implied quarter to be the 3rd. The clock will be run down to 2:20 with possession established as close to possible around the 50 yard line. The competitors will play until halftime to determine the winner."

http://www.maddenchallenge.com/rules

So you really want to sit here and tell me SE couldn't do anything about resetting progress due to bugs or dcs? But Madden, EVO, and Call of Duty can and do in the middle of tournaments where actual money is on the line? If you or anyone can sit there and tell me that losing because of dc issues is still acceptable when a joke of a game like Madden let's it players resume due to connection issues, read that a million times MADDEN AND EA HAD THE BRAINS TO UNDERSTAND DISCONNECTIONS SHOULDN'T DETERMINE OUTCOMES OF GAMES. But good old SE racking in that 15 a month can put out content with such a flawed system and people defend it?

Yeah, becaue real life tournaments with physical prizes in one Location (LAN Environment) with physically present "tournament admins" are almost the same as MMORPGs. Your point is very weak.
And the online elimination at madden was limited to only 128 players, if not they would have not been able to suggest that "both competitors reach out to tournament admins for a resolution" if problems occur.

But yeah, maybe SE should add PotD admins, who examine every dubious wipe and let you start at the same floor, if it was a DC. I assume the sub will raise to 100$/month then to afford those 20,000 admins.


How does your wonderful Madden manage DCs in the mentioned "Draft Champions Ranked Ladders" where the 128 players who are allowed to participate in the Online Elimination came from?
-> They don't. As in almost any other competitive online game you lose if you DC. If you DC regulary you won't get high in ranked ladder systems. Deal with it.

[Jetstream_Fox]

snip

Weak point? Yet they plan out say they have the ability to modify rules at any given time.

"105. Agreement to the Rules By participating in the Madden NFL Live Challenge: Draft Champions, participants agree to comply with the rules and regulations as well as the decisions made by the tournament administration, whose decisions are final and binding. Every participant acknowledges the right of the tournament administration to modify these rules and regulations in the spirit of creating a fair competition at any given time and without prior notice. The application of these rules and regulations is at the sole discretion of the tournament administration. Every participant is asked to maintain an adequate level of respect and friendliness with the other participants and the referees. Unsportsmanlike and disrespectful behavior towards the referees and the other participants will not be tolerated. Incidents and punishment will be identified at the sole discretion of the tournament administration. Participants must abide by the instructions made by the tournament administration at all times. All participants must follow sponsors directions. Sponsor reserves the right to disqualify any participant from the competition at any level, any time, and for any reason."

Meaning if their team of mods determine that ANY issue needs to be reset they game, remove players, or call of the tournament, they can and have the power to do so at any time.


And my previous qoute states that ONLINE DCING ISN'T GROUNDS FOR LOSING.

"301.9 Disconnects and Other Stoppages in play In the event of a disconnect or stoppage in play, it is the responsibility of both competitors to reach out to tournament admins for a resolution. Disconnections are not automatic grounds for a loss unless determined by an administrator or if one competitor explicitly forfeits.

If a participant unintentionally disconnects from the game and is not able to reconnect to the game, then tournament officials will determine if the game state can be restored to a similar point. If the game cannot be restored, then the tournament administrator will use their judgement on how to restart the game."

It's written point blank in their rules that they attempt to restore game progress. Don't be mad because for whatever reason a joke of a game like Madden makes evidently more reasonably sound decisions than SE does.

'course I'll defend it. When there's physically available tournament admins around they can do stuff like that. But standard CoD matches where it's just one online player vs another with no tournament admin in sight, and you DC? Well suck it up buttercup, because you'll still rack up a loss. If you're DCing that much that having to restart every time is a problem, then maybe you need to have a go at your ISP for having rubbish internet.

Oh, and for the record, I face this DC issue regularly, though not due to the internet going down, because my PC has a habit of freezing up completely (like, it just hangs, all sound stops working, all mouse/keyboard input stops being processed, the physical "reset" button to force a restart of the desktop doesn't work, etc), but every time it happens I just swear and move on. But it's going to the point of being enough of a problem for me that I'm actually getting my computer fixed, like you need to look at if you're getting constant DC issues.

A standard match in CoD is equal to about running Hull Breaker Hard, PotD is not a standard instance, it doesn't follow the same rules as our standard dungeons, if standard dungeons/raids ran in parallel with PotD, any time you died/wiping during those runs you'd have to start all over, that would be like wiping/dcing on A12s and having to reclear A9s.

I never stated I have dc issues, you've assumed that yourself, I've simply pointed out a flaw in the content design. Even if did have dc issues, there is actually very little anyone could do, aside from switching ISP, playing with settings, and hardware, but even with a switch, reconfigurations, and new hardware you're still at the mercy of ISP techs if something goes down that is outside each of our individual abilities to fix the problem.