Pvp Behavior Is Embarrasing

[MiraKershaw]

It's just salt talking most of the time, anyone how nice you are many high end pvpers lose control and the salt gets the better of them, just gotta take it with a pinch of salt, most of the time people arnt really that upset just upset for the moment they lost the match then it's over. Just gotta move on sucks but that's in any competitive anything

[HaelseMikiro]

I come from a place called earth where you cannot control the actions of other people. I don't let a couple of bad words stop me from doing things I enjoy, because frankly, I'm not that thin skinned. someone who talks that kinda smack to a complete stranger over losing a game of tic-tac-toe runs the risk of getting clocked in the jaw

I think that's a bit more realistic. You can absolutely control the actions of other people IRL when they're interacting with you, to a MUCH greater degree I'd argue, than you can in the Feast

[FreeKingStefan]

I think that's a bit more realistic. You can absolutely control the actions of other people IRL when they're interacting with you, to a MUCH greater degree I'd argue, than you can in the Feast

Trash talk happens in competition all the time. Tic-tac-toe is a solo game...so your comparison is terrible. Take a game of baseball, football, etc. for example. Play any moderately competitive sport, and if you are a detriment to your team, you WILL be reamed out...Or replaced. Unfortunately, you cannot replace your teammates in solo Q.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

In the end..this is all Yoshi's fault for trying to make a politically correct PvP-Paradise of decency for all. Solution? Grow a pair. Cussing out nooblets (and vets, woo~) goes as much hand in hand with mmo pvp as does a box of Kleenx and a copy of- nvm. Its a time honored tradition..a rite of passage. Personally myself, I LIKE getting critized, insulted, and told do go fornicate with a cactus. Cuz sooner or later, yer gonna be on the other team...and thats when it reeeeally gets fun. THATS good PvP!

No offense, but anyone who considers deeming inexperienced players a "rite of passage" is a moron not worth another thought. You build communities by recognizing you too were once a "newb" who needed some advice. Any idiot can be an asshole, but it takes some actual effort to help someone else.

[fallenalexiel]

I think most of the community is willing to help newbs out. However, the frustration lies where these people aren't listening to the chat and ignoring the advice given.

[Vaeria]

snip-a-dee-doo

Dunno what kinda sheltered pvp enviornment you were raised in..don't care. By using the term 'rite of passage' I'm not speaking about the way pvp SHOULD be...im simply acknowledging the way it IS. Its NOT noob-friendly..it NEVER was. Would it be nice if people were kinder? Yes. An end to world hunger would also be lovely. Til such said time occurs however, as I said, grow a pair, shut it out and ya..git gud so you can return favors. Thats the going fee for any mmo's pvp. I mean ffs...does the phrase 'Wolves Den' inspire visuals of a mother tenderly holding her child and nurturing it, or of good friends circle jerking around a warm campfire? Just speaking realistically, coming into pvp and 'expecting' a wholesome enviornment's just setting yourself up for bad.

[Chevronone]

I remember when I first started Pvping. I looked up guides, read through the relevant forum threads and asked others on my FC to show me the ropes BEFORE I even stepped foot in Frontlines. I wouldn't even imagine heading into ranked play where me being a novice could potentially cause others negative results. I feel that Frontlines is the perfect place for learning how to PvP. It's far and away a more friendly environment for newcomers and your mistakes are weighed far less in their overall effect on the match.

Is that too much to expect from new Pvpers strolling on into Feast in stacked acc gear, breaking boxes on monks and not even having Purify on their bars? And then their shocked and outraged when someone sprinkles some salt on their corpse?

I think it's total nonsense that it's expected they are coddled and be provided an insulated special snowflake chamber.

[Zojha]

However, the frustration lies where these people aren't listening to the chat and ignoring the advice given.

No. The frustration lies in the fact that people think these people are making them lose combined with the fact that they care about win/loss.

It's really as simple as that. It's not limited to newbies either - You can be a Platinum Wolf with 1000 games, people will still shout at you if they think you are a threat to their precious rating and ego. People simply hate losing and the whole rating process just makes it that much worse because now you can't just mentally wave it away - it's in the numbers. Worse, that guy just destroyed your progress! He deleted your save file! He kicked your sandcastle over! May this son of a motherless ogre step on a Lego! *dramatically shakes fist*
You get the idea.

PvP as such suffers from that issue, because losing is part of the game and as a consequence, PvP games are renown for their toxicity. It doesn't help that many players have "lording their ego over others" as prime motivation to PvP in the first place. That can't be erased - you can only ban repeated offenders and encourage positive behaviour on the player side and attempt to make the win/loss matter as little as possible to give people less reason to be upset on the system side. That's all you can do to minimize bad behaviour.

[Chevronone]

No. The frustration lies in the fact that people think these people are making them lose combined with the fact that they care about win/loss.

This is only partly true. Losing sucks, But what is infuriating is losing without the slighest chance of winning. When a new healer facerolls or your dps waste their burst on a PLD in the first 30s or a tank grabs 10 stacks, etc.

It's being obliterated that causes the salt. I've lost plenty of matches where it was a great fight of equal skill on both sides and lost fair and square where everyone put in all their effort and I've never had an issue with that or felt robbed.

[HaelseMikiro]

Trash talk happens in competition all the time. Tic-tac-toe is a solo game...so your comparison is terrible. Take a game of baseball, football, etc. for example. Play any moderately competitive sport, and if you are a detriment to your team, you WILL be reamed out...Or replaced.

Fine, replace my game of tic-tac-toe example with anything else you said, and assume a high school gym coach is randomly assigning people to the teams. Everyone in the Feast knows how the system is setup, but some people insist on giving death threats to the kid with a bike helmet and coke goggles instead of accepting that this is just the way the world works. You win some and you lose some, you move up in the tiers and see less of those noobs, and at the end of the season the people most capable of picking up their teams slack while doing their own job (and maybe a little RNG luck with matchmaking) gets a prize.

As you touched on imperfect comparisons, teams members DO get replaced every single match in solo Q. Solo Q Feast IS NOT a team based event. Every single person on your own team is still an enemy in the big picture. I think this makes it much easier to justify losing your marbles on someone, hoping to berate them into never Q-ing again, only to find oneself in the exact same situation next match with a different person, until so many people have been pushed out of PvP that these individuals now find they themselves are the lowest denominator, and they start lashing at their betters because they can't cope with the reality that they lost a match, because their team deserved to lose.

It would be ideal if every person in the rated matches was there because they'd had sufficient time to study how their job works in PvP, the best times to burst, CC and retreat, and they were genuinely practiced and ready for competitive PvP. But that's not reality. Non-rated matches are dead queues, and SE hasn't done a pre-season since season 1. So ofc there's going to be a lot of people getting their feet wet for the first time in the rated season. This is the pre-season training grounds for people wanting to get into PvP for season 4.

Edit: All I wanted to do was defend Tic-Tac-Toe because I don't see solo Q as a team effort even though we work with other people for a common goal in 8 minutes bursts. There is no team mentality in it. Guess I got long winded on it
Pete Rose isn't being excluded from the Baseball Hall of Fame for being bad at baseball (gambling). Charlie Sheen didn't get dropped from Two and a Half Men for being a bad actor (drugs and trash talking the producer). Bill Clinton didn't get impeached over bad foreign policies or spending, it wasn't even for his affair. It was becaue he lied about it. People can be great at their jobs and their hobbies, but thin morale fiber is a bigger problem for the community than thin skin IMO.