To the Devs: PvP Reward Ideas. [Feast Season Rewards]

[Grimmel]

Update 11/7/16: I've come up with a modest proposal that would make things fair for both PvP'ers who rank in the top 100's and the PvE'ers who want equal and fair treatment. I'll leave the quote below this.

No; we aren't asking for it to be handed to us on a silver platter. You're assuming that's what we want. We want these rewards to be just as hard for Top scorers to get as for the rest of the community.

There have been many proposal's brought up in this thread that could potentially make it to where it's fair and I've recently come up with a new one that may better sate your anger and nullify your assumptions.
Let's take an example: Beastmen Dailies. It takes upwards to 30 days or more to get max rank in a single beastman tribe. So what could be done is a token system that requires time in order to reap the rewards. And people can totally do this at their leisure. Let's say you can gather up to 20 Tokens per day. These Tokens are on a daily cap. You can gather 1 a day or up to 10 but the cap stops at 20 for the day. Let's put a reward up now, say the Hellhound: It requires 1500 Tokens to purchase.

These tokens can only be obtained via any type of PvP content. These tokens come from doing certain types of things based on the content people are running. Say from the Fold or Feast unranked it comes from defeating players. Each player defeated awards a token. In Frontlines it could come from capturing an objective.

So assuming we can get up to 20 tokens a day for a mount that would cost 1,500 Tokens. That would be 75 days to get that mount which is pretty much 2 and a half months worth of grinding. So it would essentially equate to nearly a full season of the feast. So yes; we would have to work just as hard for this particular system.

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So .. just throwing out an idea and hopefully it's an alright one.. But here goes.

What if they added the feast season rewards to the Wolf Marks vendors like say.. half a year after the Season for that reward ends? I'm not much of a PvP'er I'll admit. When I saw the outline of the hellhound mount I was rather ... I dunno - put off. A part of me was also angry that a mount that the players have been asking for since Void Ark will only be available to 100 people per data center. I also have fears that the Red Fenrir mount that was datamined a while ago will be a Season 4 Reward.

There is also the issue of win trading that SE doesn't seem to want to do anything about. It's something that cannot be fixed unless GM's monitor every single match. And coming from that stand point it'd be a waste of GM resources.

I was okay with missing the Legacy Campaign the get an exclusive Chocobo and other stuff because I knew I'd only be missing 1-2 mounts from my collection and that any mounts/minions in the future would be there, waiting for me to collect instead of being placed behind restrictions. But this just gave me a swift kick to the gut.

So.. would you, the Development team consider adding the Feast Season rewards to the Wolf Mark vendors after some time has passed since the seasons end? You can price them something Ludicrous like 100k Wolf Marks and I'm sure many people would be okay with this because it's something they know won't be taken out and they can gradually work to get it.

It'll just be those few top 100 and top 10 who get to gloat about it for half a year before eventually everyone can start obtaining them. You can keep the trophies and accessories as Feast Season only rewards. But the things specifically only for glamour/collector purposes; please consider making them eventually obtainable by all.

||Pretty sure I'm going to have a whole lot of hate on me for posting this, but I'm going to try to keep up a good fight to ensure those who don't like the idea of vanity items being restricted behind a gate can at least be heard.||

A fantastic suggestion Ametrine!

It could be like tokens are for weapons. 1500 WM for 1 token, 20 tokens for Hellhound.

That would be one hell of a grind, but no less of one that 1mil MGP for a Fenrir.

PVE content gets easier over time due to gear and leveling, yes. However, on top of that, the developers of this game also go out of their way to make everything easily obtainable - a point which many of you keep on ignoring. Echo is added, fights are nerfed, lockouts are removed, droprates are increased, raid skins and rare drops are added to new sources. Many of these things either don't happen other games, or they happen at a much slower pace.

To compare, WoW raids from ten years ago are still on weekly lockouts and many mounts/achievements were removed (or lowered to 1% droprates) after the raids stopped being current.

If PVE content mostly remained untouched and it only became easier via natural player progression then you'd have a point, but it doesn't. The devs make a very conscious effort to hand rewards out to everyone. Why should PVP ones be excluded? Again, we either make PVP rewards work like everything else in the game, or we make the rest of the game work like the PVP rewards.

Wolf Marks were just an idea thrown in this thread. Personally I have no special attachment to the idea, it's just the first thing suggested that would get the job done. Like I said at the end of my edit, there are a lot of options and a lot of room for change. I'd be fine with 100+ seasonal wins instead (long after the season where the rewards originally debuted).

Perhaps it'd be helpful for the discussion if the OP was edited to simply ask for a way to make the rewards available at some point after each season, rather than specifically through Wolf Marks?

[Avalon1101]

I get 20k wolf marks basically every 2days

You can post this in Pvp community and see what will happen

[Lone-wolfe-02]

I'm okay with this. Raiders lose their exclusive items so why shouldn't PvP?.

[Avalon1101]

I'm okay with this. Raiders lose their exclusive items so why shouldn't PvP?.

Pvp never have "exclusive items" before but the prize for 1 top player per data center
So it can't be called as lose

This is the first time top PvP players will get something but useless gears from that half year ranking, why everyone who don't play just jump out and against.
You can go que for feast.

[Grimmel]

Pvp never have "exclusive items" before but the prize for 1 top player per data center
So it can't be called as lose

This is the first time top PvP players will get something but useless gears from that half year ranking, why everyone who don't play just jump out and against.
You can go que for feast.

I don't understand a word you're saying except "You can go queue for feast." Which I do have something to say about.

Every person in top ten rankings has done win trades and gets people to boost them; making the competition unfair and making it impossible for people who play legit to get any rankings. The first season, people were getting into groups that did nothing except purposely stand there and die so that their friends/alt accounts could rank up and place top. They do this for weeks making it impossible to top their scores and then they sit and wait until the season is over without fear of loosing their ranking. People cheat with the feast and currently PvP is the only content in this game that DOES have exclusive items to it from the ranked feast matches that are unavailable to everyone else.

People who play this game and do PvP cannot keep up with the constant flow of people who win trade and therefore it turns most people away from trying PvP. Why do you think everyone is saying that the rewards offered will not bring more people to PvP? There is also the fact that in order to beat an opposing team, you HAVE to have the PvP only actions or else you're dead weight to the team. This further gates people from participating in the Feast Seasons because having PvP actions is pretty much required in order to win.

It's unfair to gate cosmetic/vanity/fun items behind something only a few people do. And when a few people do it, they end up tipping the scales in their favor in an unfair way.

[Kuroregal]

I think its a good idea.

[Synestra]

You can price them something Ludicrous like 100k Wolf Marks

You can only have 20k WM's atm so they would need to remove cap first to make this work, even if they make this happen then stuff like mounts should cost atleast 1mil WM or more.

[Grimmel]

You can only have 20k WM's atm so they would need to remove cap first to make this work, even if they make this happen then stuff like mounts should cost atleast 1mil WM or more.

I think people have requested SE increase the cap of Wolf Marks before, so it might happen in the future.

[Ametrine]

It could be like tokens are for weapons. 1500 WM for 1 token, 20 tokens for Hellhound.

That would be one hell of a grind, but no less of one that 1mil MGP for a Fenrir.

[Grimmel]

It could be like tokens are for weapons. 1500 WM for 1 token, 20 tokens for Hellhound.

That would be one hell of a grind, but no less of one that 1mil MGP for a Fenrir.

the token idea would actually be a lot better than increasing the WM cap! Thanks for that!