So are we *ever* getting the planned list of Class/Ability changes?

[Ronik]

They're well over two-three weeks overdue from when you originally promised them, and if you're planning to release them so close to the tentative patch release date, you will not have the time to consider player feedback of your planned significant changes.

The playerbase has gone an extremely long time now without any REAL information. For most MMO's, I would say things like timely patch notes are a privilege and not a right. However, given that you plan to start charging us for this product next month and we still have no idea exactly what new content/changes are being planned for 1.20, we should have already had these patch notes.

Communicating these ideas with us should be your second highest priority behind actually developing the game. At this rate, we'll have the class change list in our hands for a week before the patch itself, and that's unacceptable.

[grandm]

delays happen. and i wouldn't worry about time for feedback. i have seen a thread go from 0 to 100 posts in less than a day. and such big news will be talked about alot. if we get the info a week before patch that would be plenty of time for feedback

[Ronik]

delays happen. and i wouldn't worry about time for feedback. i have seen a thread go from 0 to 100 posts in less than a day. and such big news will be talked about alot. if we get the info a week before patch that would be plenty of time for feedback

Feedback has to actually be considered and evaluated for development changes to happen. These changes have to be tested internally and discussed by devs before they're implemented. If you think one week is enough time for player feedback to utilized for a patch, you're dead wrong.

[Wolfie]

Well duh people are going to fill up a topic with complaints really fast.

The real problem is that the longer the devs put off giving us info, the less time they have to fix things before the patch goes live.

[Betelgeuzah]

It's not like our assumptions would help in any shape or form. We can't provide any valuable feedback based on the information provided if we can't experience the changes by ourselves. It's just text of changes that happen to affect every class. Good luck trying to figure out possible (and accurate) gameplay scenarios out of that mess.

I just want the damn info because I want to know what they will change. It was never about contributing.

Don't make me link that stupid MRD thread from back when 1.19 notes came out claiming doom & gloom. We are going to be headless chickens this time as well.

[grandm]

It's not like our assumptions would help in any shape or form. We can't provide any valuable feedback based on the information provided if we can't experience the changes by ourselves. It's just text of changes that happen to affect every class. Good luck trying to figure out possible (and accurate) gameplay scenarios out of that mess.

I just want the damn info because I want to know what they will change. It was never about contributing.

Don't make me link that stupid MRD thread from back when 1.19 notes came out claiming doom & gloom. We are going to be headless chickens this time as well.

yep this is all true, when they say they want our feedback, what they mean is they could do with a good laugh when they are on a coffee break. the release of these notes are courtesy, nothing more

[Wolfie]

It's not like our assumptions would help in any shape or form. We can't provide any valuable feedback based on the information provided if we can't experience the changes by ourselves. It's just text of changes that happen to affect every class. Good luck trying to figure out possible (and accurate) gameplay scenarios out of that mess.

I just want the damn info because I want to know what they will change. It was never about contributing.

Don't make me link that stupid MRD thread from back when 1.19 notes came out claiming doom & gloom. We are going to be headless chickens this time as well.

Really man? If you think that we can't experience the changes, then why are you even asking for early info? What difference does it make to you, if you can't conceptualize the changes until they're live and in game?

The rest of us actually could conceptualize what the changes will do if we were given proper info and numbers; and some of us can even work with fuzzier details. There might be changes that don't need numbers or seeing things in action for us to go "hey, that's not what should be happening there".

[Betelgeuzah]

Really man? If you think that we can't experience the changes, then why are you even asking for early info?

I want to know what they will change.

In general sense we can probably make up an idea of what will happen in-game based on our previous experiences and whatever mumbo jumbo theories we come up with, but you are fooling yourself if you think the devs were looking for any sweeping overhaul-feedback of that caliber. It was never about feedback being the deciding factor for the big picture. That's something the devs have to figure out themselves.

We can help with the details- and that's something we don't know before the patch is live and we get to test things out.

In the meantime, people will just make up bullshit based on unknown variables- of which there are TONS because everything action-wise is being changed all at once.

[Bahn]

They're nearly two weeks overdue from when you originally promised them, and if you're planning to release them so close to the tentative patch release date, you will not have the time to consider player feedback of your planned significant changes.

The playerbase has gone an extremely long time now without any REAL information. For most MMO's, I would say things like timely patch notes are a privilege and not a right. However, given that you plan to start charging us for this product next month and we still have no idea exactly what new content/changes are being planned for 1.20, we should have already had these patch notes.

Communicating these ideas with us should be your second highest priority behind actually developing the game. At this rate, we'll have the class change list in our hands for a week before the patch itself, and that's unacceptable.

+1 for this. I want to know what the heck I'm getting before I give Square my money, ESPECIALLY if Square isn't charging me the half price they claim they were "looking into". If they stayed F2P then definitely, no problems on the delays, I'll wait all day, no need to rush, but the deadline for P2P hasn't been set, nor has a date for 1.20 been set, just vague promises of "late November to early December". It's already past the halfway mark for November - we need that info early since now they believe that their MMO deserves the same amount of money as other complete MMOs.

Can we please at least get a "the notes will be out on xx day and it'll go over to P2P on yy day" so that we can plan accordingly?

[Jennestia]

It's already past the halfway mark for November

And this is supposed to mean?

we need that info early since now they believe that their MMO deserves the same amount of money as other complete MMOs.

Or how about this:

You play and pay a sub, or you don't. It's that simple. The info will be posted when it's posted. Other companies stagger info for their own reasons.

Can we please at least get a "the notes will be out on xx day and it'll go over to P2P on yy day"

Yoshida already stated you can experience 1.20 before choosing to pay or not, therefore this would be pointless since logically, when he says that it means you won't be charged until sometime after 1.20, there's nothing to "plan" for, you experience 1.20, if you like the changes you pay your sub, if you don't..you don't pay.