The Legend of Wyvern

[Holland]

I understand the development costs may be a problem, but I'm still stuck on the lore bit. Judging by the chat log in your signature I'm guessing you're familiar with XI's take on a Wyvern pet for Dragoon. What is your opinion on that?

Although I never played the class pass level 20, I am familar with XI's Dragoon job. In terms of balancing I remember the developers having a hard time with it. The task can certainly be done but I'm more inclined to a full fledge class or job that does not rely on the strenght of a pet for his antics =/

[ReapKarmah]

the legend of the wyvern should stay just that. a legend. a story once told. maybe its true, maybe its just a tall tale sang by the bards when they need some extra gil for there arrows. one thing we do know about this legend the dragoon in 1.21 will be carving their own history, and not following in the shadow the dragoon from the 11th, the ones bards sing of

I don't know, I still feel there's a lot of potential in this topic. Maybe have an optional quest for Dragoons to obtain their pet Wyvern so that people who want them can have them and people who don't shouldn't have to worry about it.

It's better to satisfy both crowds than to have one suffer for the other.

Although I never played the class pass level 20, I am familar with XI's Dragoon job. In terms of balancing I remember the developers having a hard time with it. The task can certainly be done but I'm more inclined to a full fledge class or job that does not rely on the strenght of a pet for his antics =/

Yes it may be hard to balance it but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be possible or even worth it. I feel a great part of any game is having options for all players to be happy.

[ToxicFox]

I like the idea of a quest. Something like where during the quest you are asked to spill your own blood to awaken the dormant dragon and it asks if your really willing to give up some of your own powers to revive the dragon. That would let people know about the price to be payed for the pet. It would be kind neat if there was a quest to undo the bound and regain your powers and both are repeatable. This would keep everyone happy right? Don't want a pet pick the "Hellz no get that knife away from me" option. If you want a pet though you can get one but if you decide later on to not have it you can get rid of it. Granted I don't think flip flopping between no pet and pet is a good idea so make the quest somewhat a pain to do.

Allowing us to "paint" our pet would be pretty neat too maybe even have different models for them that are given at random or choice. That way we don't have the same copy and paste pet everywhere we go.

[Holland]

Yes it may be hard to balance it but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be possible or even worth it. I feel a great part of any game is having options for all players to be happy.

Very rarely will players of an MMO be completely happy with any changes, implementations or content provided. I feel, while taking player feedback, Developers need to go with what they feel is right. ;p

Yoshida indicated from the start his plans for Dragon did not include a Wyvern, but if the players wanted that much he might consider it. I say we should allow him and his developers to point Dragon in different direction than FFXI.

[ReapKarmah]

I like the idea of a quest. Something like where during the quest you are asked to spill your own blood to awaken the dormant dragon and it asks if your really willing to give up some of your own powers to revive the dragon. That would let people know about the price to be payed for the pet. It would be kind neat if there was a quest to undo the bound and regain your powers and both are repeatable. This would keep everyone happy right? Don't want a pet pick the "Hellz no get that knife away from me" option. If you want a pet though you can get one but if you decide later on to not have it you can get rid of it. Granted I don't think flip flopping between no pet and pet is a good idea so make the quest somewhat a pain to do.

Allowing us to "paint" our pet would be pretty neat too maybe even have different models for them that are given at random or choice. That way we don't have the same copy and paste pet everywhere we go.

Very good ideas! Honestly, if there's no downside to either party then no one should have anything to complain about with it being added. For the people who want it, they'll be happy, for those that do not, they won't be bothered by it. Yet there are still some who just refuse the very thought about it like a disease.

I'm all for the multiple models for Wyverns and it was a very hot idea in the modding of them in XI.

Very rarely will players of an MMO be completely happy with any changes, implementations or content provided. I feel, while taking player feedback, Developers need to go with what they feel is right. ;p

Yoshida indicated from the start his plans for Dragon did not include a Wyvern, but if the players wanted that much he might consider it. I say we should allow him and his developers to point Dragon in different direction than FFXI.

Entirely reasonable and I understand that. However the option should still be there for the ones who would appreciate it. After all, we're going to be paying a subscription fee for this game; I should think all players deserve to be as happy as can be.

However, I'm very curious to see how Dragoon will perform without the Wyvern as well. To me it wouldn't be nearly as interesting of an adventure, but that's not to say it would be boring either. I think over some time people may become bored and then having a Wyvern will be on many people's lists.

[OMEGA_HACK]

I really don't remember about Dragoon specifically, but, in terms of lore, Ishgard is on an active war against Dragonkin, their knights use chocobos to go to war. I will accept the lore can be arrange in some ways, but going from blatantly open war against Dragons to have them as pets? I don't know.

Lastly, in terms of development costs and resources, which I will not claim to know much about, but definitely sounds like balancing two classes for the cost of one, creating and adding new WS's, maybe creating two sets of armour and weapons for Dragoons with wyvern out or not, etc.

Pets? Could be more like slaves, it wouldn't be the first time in fantasy that man uses Dragon to kill other Dragons. Look at the lore in Game of Thrones or the new game Skyrim (you kill Dragons but are able to call a Dragon to aid you...eventually in the story, once you get powerful enough)

Just saying, but that being said I don't a Wyvern, this run, they have a nice balance of Pet to no pet through out the series and I like it when then flip flop between the two.

[Lebannen]

I am gonna pose an idea here. Make a choice where you can do the story quest to obtain the job, and at the end you get the opurtunity to chose your allegiance. Either the dragoons of ishgard, or the wyverns of eorzea. This choice will affect your skills and if you have a pet or not. What do you guys think?

[ReapKarmah]

Pets? Could be more like slaves, it wouldn't be the first time in fantasy that man uses Dragon to kill other Dragons. Look at the lore in Game of Thrones or the new game Skyrim (you kill Dragons but are able to call a Dragon to aid you...eventually in the story, once you get powerful enough)

Just saying, but that being said I don't a Wyvern, this run, they have a nice balance of Pet to no pet through out the series and I like it when then flip flop between the two.

A very reasonable and valid opinion. I feel, however, that flip-flopping between having/not a pet in this release of Final Fantasy doesn't exactly translate as a good enough reason to make the final decision in the end. Not alone at least.

I am gonna pose an idea here. Make a choice where you can do the story quest to obtain the job, and at the end you get the opurtunity to chose your allegiance. Either the dragoons of ishgard, or the wyverns of eorzea. This choice will affect your skills and if you have a pet or not. What do you guys think?

I personally love the idea of questing to obtain a pet Wyvern. This would enable us to have a larger back-story about how you two met and on what terms. Theoretically you wouldn't even lose the option to dismiss your Wyvern when needed so I'm all for it!

I would imagine that these ideas we have take time and money to implement into the game; but then again what idea is doesn't. So that shouldn't be an issue. I wonder what input a developer would have on this topic.

[grandm]

you are all forgetting one major point with this choice option. when we create our account and start our game, we hve to pay for a character, the reason why this should not be a problem (we are told) is because unlike other MMO's all aspects of the game can be played by one character. if you are saying at some point in the game we choose a path, then the only way to experience both sides of this story is to make two characters. which then destroys the argument that you only need one character per account

[ReapKarmah]

you are all forgetting one major point with this choice option. when we create our account and start our game, we hve to pay for a character, the reason why this should not be a problem (we are told) is because unlike other MMO's all aspects of the game can be played by one character. if you are saying at some point in the game we choose a path, then the only way to experience both sides of this story is to make two characters. which then destroys the argument that you only need one character per account

Very good point there!

This is more fuel to the fire that, like I originally suggested, is why we should be able to swap between having our Wyvern out and having them put away to experience both aspects of the world of Dragoon.