why is castrum and praetorium not an instance

[Nezerius]

I clicked on that also still didn't work and I,ve gotten the point that nobody cares. People are clearly missing my point there is 0 reason for this to be a tomes dungeon please give me a reason its like 18 others. Like its not a minor issue viewing the cut scene in a freaking inn room I'm sure has prob never been done in any other game period. That option literally makes the content worthless why did I watch the other cut scenes if I had to skip the last ones. If you would go find a youtube video on said dungeons it happens far to often. So are you saying you dont want new players to enjoy the game , like all content is relevant because I would hope you always have new players joining the game. So the whole this is old content is played out , because its new to someone,no other game does this at least none that I have played to skip those cut scenes is like skipping the whole msq nobody wants an unfinished product.

What exactly "didn't work"? I was able to view those cutscenes without issue, perhaps your game files are corrupt/bugged?
You do know you have to click on the arrows in the bottom right of the Unending Journal to select which cutscene you want to watch, right?

I think you're missing the point here, instead of everyone else. Castrum and Praetorium were designed as a full party dungeons (8 players), remove the tomestones and you remove the incentive for players to run it more than once. Remove the incentive, and you'll be able to enjoy sitting in a queue for hours because not enough players are queueing for it.

It is a minor issue because there are ways to do these dungeons while still being able to watch the cutscenes and experience the fights. It's called using the party finder, or asking a friend or two to help out. It'll be even easier when they add the cross-server party finder.
Was it mistake for SE to make these two dungeons cutscene-heavy? Sure, they even agreed to this, and they learned from it. How many complaints have you seen about cutscenes in the Heavensward MSQ dungeons?

I don't even blame the players I get it , but people are acting like it would cost a ton of money to change them into an instance to where you just solo each boss , like every single new player will have to deal with the same stuff. Because any party in duty finder will do the samething , the game is literally full of solo instances and i know each one of them did not cost a million dollars. Its just laziness point blank , they could fix it they just wont and by them not doing so unless u have the perfect friends that wana do it with then ur just out of luck witch makes the whole first part of the story worthless. The journey 1 -50 is meaningless because its all about sixties is what im getting, now that sounds crazy, and if thats the case then with new expansion they will care even less about new players that come to the game.

Those solo instances were designed like that right from the start, while Castrum and Praetorium weren't. They'd have to redesign the boss fights to make it soloable, which might be simple for the earlier ones, but how are you gonna change a boss like Ultima?
If you think the 1-50 MSQ is meaningless just because you ignore the other options to get a good first time run (party finder, unsynced with higher lvl friends), then that's on you.

[bswpayton]

[QUOTE=Nezerius;3921188]What exactly "didn't work"? I was able to view those cutscenes without issue, perhaps your game files are corrupt/bugged?
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I was saying what other game would even force that option on you , if im playing a game I want to see the ending in the game if its there in real time, also I said make it solo the other stuff leading up to it was solo so why not this. The escape when u break out the group it could of been exactly like that, it was ok in the past when it was fresh to the majority of players well its not anymore so why make new players have to go the extra mile to view something they should be able to see witout any hassle. Serioulsy what other game does that please tell me one. I shouldnt have to go out of my way to ask other people to do the whole meaning of the 1 -50 story line thats crazy talk. If they said it was a mistake then they should of changed it.

[bswpayton]

Ur basicly telling thousands of people to go out of their way to watch cut scenes that should have 0 hassle to watch the ending of their 1 to 50 journey when se admitted it was thier screw up so why is it on the player and not on se. Like I said count the hundreds of comments on youtube of the cutscenes where player after player mentions how they got left behind.

[Lunafreya]

Ur basicly telling thousands of people to go out of their way to watch cut scenes that should have 0 hassle to watch the ending of their 1 to 50 journey when se admitted it was thier screw up so why is it on the player and not on se. Like I said count the hundreds of comments on youtube of the cutscenes where player after player mentions how they got left behind.

Technically SE did learn as there are no dungeons like this in Heavensward.

[Nezerius]

I was saying what other game would even force that option on you , if im playing a game I want to see the ending in the game if its there in real time, also I said make it solo the other stuff leading up to it was solo so why not this. The escape when u break out the group it could of been exactly like that, it was ok in the past when it was fresh to the majority of players well its not anymore so why make new players have to go the extra mile to view something they should be able to see witout any hassle. Serioulsy what other game does that please tell me one. I shouldnt have to go out of my way to ask other people to do the whole meaning of the 1 -50 story line thats crazy talk. If they said it was a mistake then they should of changed it.

Because this is an MMO, and the design intent for Castrum and Prae was likely so newer players would get a feel for full party dungeons. If you feel like it's a hassle to find one or two level 60 friends, or throwing up a party finder entry to get likeminded people to get a perfect CM/Prae run, perhaps you're better off sticking to singleplayer games?

Ur basicly telling thousands of people to go out of their way to watch cut scenes that should have 0 hassle to watch the ending of their 1 to 50 journey when se admitted it was thier screw up so why is it on the player and not on se. Like I said count the hundreds of comments on youtube of the cutscenes where player after player mentions how they got left behind.

If thousands of people are having this issue, wouldn't it already be easy enough to find likeminded people to run these dungeons with? I think you're overestimating the amount of people who have an issue with this.

As a sidenote, I found it funny how your reply went from thousands to hundreds in just two sentences.

[bswpayton]

Because this is an MMO, and the design intent for



If thousands of people are having this issue, wouldn't it already be easy enough to find likeminded people to run these dungeons with? I think you're overestimating the amount of people who have an issue with this.

As a sidenote, I found it funny how your reply went from thousands to hundreds in just two sentences.

Im really have no idea how im gettin beat up about this Im assuming you guys are clearly not into the story part of the game , Im not talkin about the stone vigil cut scene that was also in the middle people will even leave u over that. This is some of the biggest content of the game , like yea i could of asked for a party sure Ive never even used party finder and my friends didnt want to watch the cut scenes so I didnt ask them. Like I said if the game devs said it was wrong then why am I wrong for wanting them to change it

[Nezerius]

Im really have no idea how im gettin beat up about this Im assuming you guys are clearly not into the story part of the game , Im not talkin about the stone vigil cut scene that was also in the middle people will even leave u over that. This is some of the biggest content of the game , like yea i could of asked for a party sure Ive never even used party finder and my friends didnt want to watch the cut scenes so I didnt ask them. Like I said if the game devs said it was wrong then why am I wrong for wanting them to change it

Because you're beating a dead horse at this point. Actually, you're beating the dead horse's ashes, that's how often this complaint has come up in the past years. There's no point in complaining about anymore since it's not going to change those two dungeons. But it's a good thing that they still learned from those complaints, since this issue hasn't occurred ever since.
You're not wrong in wanting to have it changed, neither is SE wrong for not changing it, if they don't want to spend resources on it.

Never having used the party finder isn't a good reason, nor is deciding to not ask your friends just because they skip them.

And your assumption is wrong, I'm into the story part and ensured that I'd be able to enjoy CM/Prae to its fullest, by asking friends for help.

[Leknaat]

Because you're beating a dead horse at this point. Actually, you're beating the dead horse's ashes, that's how often this complaint has come up in the past years. There's no point in complaining about anymore since it's not going to change those two dungeons. But it's a good thing that they still learned from those complaints, since this issue hasn't occurred ever since.
You're not wrong in wanting to have it changed, neither is SE wrong for not changing it, if they don't want to spend resources on it.

Never having used the party finder isn't a good reason, nor is deciding to not ask your friends just because they skip them.

And your assumption is wrong, I'm into the story part and ensured that I'd be able to enjoy CM/Prae to its fullest, by asking friends for help.

^ This. Ask your friends and fill out the rest with pf or low man it.

It's a VERY dead horse. People were complaining about the instance from like week 1 and then SE raged and tried to slow speed runners down repeatedly (mostly WP and AK) but they did some stuff like moving where some mobs patrolled in CM. That did nothing. People still complained and yeah... I think SE no longer gives a rat's ass and just makes sure not to repeat that ginoromous mistake.

[Pintsized]

Speed runs through these instances have always been unfriendly to 'newbies', I well recall feeling sorry for new players running these for the first time three years ago .. yes, speed runs were already a 'thing' only 2-3 months after V2 was released! .. and only two weeks ago I ran them on another new character and saw the same sad thing, a new player who had no idea where the hell the group went at the start of Praetorium (where you all run at teleport using that device behind the first trash group).

I dropped back and explained what had happened and showed him where to go and how to use the 'catch up' teleports .. he was a tank and I was a healer and neither of us were missed due to characters being hugely OP even when synced in a DF group.

[Niwashi]

it def needs a fix a new player has like a 20 percent chance of being able to watch the cut scenes so what was the point in the 130 quest to not even see the ending

I think a 20% chance is overly optimistic. Maybe there's a 1% chance, but I think it's probably lower than even that. I even went with a Party Finder group so I could specify that we'd not skip any cutscenes (in the PF checkboxes, in the PF description, and in discussions before starting), yet there wasn't a single other player besides myself who followed that rule. They all ran on ahead, (and did so while leaving the mobs behind, so that I couldn't even explore the opening room to find where the exit was to follow them).

I would rather have them work on new content than that.

That might be valid if these were just ordinary dungeons, where it didn't matter. But this is the climax of the entire game we're talking about, and it's completely destroyed by the way it's always run. SE really should have fixed this before they ever added an expansion to the game. As it stands now, everything after it is broken by the fact that the story that's supposed to lead up to it is broken. Adding more and more broken stuff rather than fixing the problem doesn't improve the game.

Technically SE did learn as there are no dungeons like this in Heavensward.

And once they learned that, they should have fixed it. They still haven't. (I'm currently hoping the GC squads will be set up for these two, so we can solo it along with them, but there are plenty of ways it could have been fixed. Changing most of it into a solo instance, perhaps meeting up with a group part way through so that what's now the final boss fight becomes a single-fight instance like a trial would work, too.)

Actually, you're beating the dead horse's ashes, that's how often this complaint has come up in the past years.

It's come up that often because it really is an important problem. The fact that it's been a major problem for a lot of people doesn't make it less important, it makes it more important.