Dismantle the Holy Trinity

[Ahrniel]

I think that is a slight miss understanding SE's design wasn't for everyone to DPS the community found that healers and tank's could dps so they did. Under your proposed solution the exact same thing would happen just without the labels.

Actually you misunderstood what I wrote.
I'm not proposing a way for Healers to only Heal neither for Tanks to only Tank, I'm proposing a way to completelly embrace the idea that every class is supposed to be capable of dealing DPS at least at some point in battle, just as competently as any other in the game, and a way that actually works, not the mess it is right now.

And SE has to deal with it. The community started to DPS? Well, they embraced the idea and designed Raids entirely around the idea.
They support it, they own it.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

Then do the Holy Trinity right.
If you can't do it right, do something else, if you can't do something else, shut down the game.

Now you're just being extreme.

If you don't like how a game does something, you don't complain and suggest they redo their ENTIRE system just for you, you find a new game that DOES match your tastes.

[Ahrniel]

Now you're just being extreme.

If you don't like how a game does something, you don't complain and suggest they redo their ENTIRE system just for you, you find a new game that DOES match your tastes.

Here comes the "Do things for me" again.
Lots of people aren't content with the way the trinity is working, sorry. This isn't about me.

[Sigmar_Heldenhammer]

The Holy Trinity works fine in FFXIV. DPS stances just give you more tools to play with and more depth to the otherwise plain base of the Trinity.
It's up to the players to do as they will from there, which is why, as I've mentioned, we have threads over and over about "disable cleric stance in dungeons," or "how dare tanks switch out of tank stance!"
If your suggestion was made real, we would have the same arguments.
"I'm not a healer, I'm support, don't tell me how to play! I'm a fighter, not a tank!"
The players are the bottom line. The Trinity tries to keep some semblance of order to what otherwise is people doing whatever they want, which doesn't always work out too well.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

Here comes the "Do things for me" again.
Lots of people aren't content with the way the trinity is working, sorry. This isn't about me.

Really? Who are these "lots of people"? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

Because I guarantee your " people " are not the majority of the player base.


Also maybe you could actually rebut some of the arguments made against your suggestion instead of just calling everyone messed up since they don't agree with your OPINION.

[Ahrniel]

Also maybe you could actually rebut some of the arguments made against your suggestion instead of just calling everyone messed up since they don't agree with your OPINION.

Of course you are messed up if you can make such a strawman from thin air like nothing. You can all disagree with me all you want, that's good, bring in some arguments, bring in some info, some ideas. But don't come up with bull**** like like It is my way or highway, or that it is just for me. It is wrong, and you want to keep some moral highground over that. Sorry princess, your moral highground is built over cardboard boxes, come back to the level of normal humans who are just talking.

And yes I did rebut the arguments, did I miss any? Not that it matters anymore, you guys just wanna purge me like I'm some filth already.
Hell, I had a hella better reception and civilized conversation when I suggested Samurai to be a Healer, kuddos to you Beast Tribe level barbarians.

[Keramory]

Keep in mind 1.0 tried to break away from the trinity and it fell flat on its face.

Why?

People want the trinity. People flock to it. People make whatever the system is into the trinity anyway. Why? Because it's one of the most effective in battles.


I will say this game doesn't have a real healer class. They're just supports who focus on healing.

[Warghoul570]

See I knew he was a heretic.. drops mic and struts off

[Fluffernuff]

/sigh

Since now I'm being quoted and still called out, despite not actually having anything to do with these "allegations", we'll go back to my original point.

You know what that post was? a statement. It wasn't a question. It was not directed at an individual. It was not "salty". I've said it before in my posts. I am against radical changes based on personal or limited knowledge. It was a statement to separate SE from the players. Why did I make this statement? because on at least 2 occasions, you blamed SE for the "fault" of players' actions. I stated that SE has been pushing against the idea for some time now- and though they have failed, that does not mean they have not tried.

I then went into how your ideas were, effectively, chaging a fundamental design of the game- and in being a core foundation, things would not and could not be so easily changed. And assuming said changes DID happen, it would a different game entirely. Not a simple update. Not an expansion. it would be a different GAME.

To this response, I was met with what amounted to "its broken and needs to be fixed, and if it can't be fixed, it needs to be shut down". This is a rather extreme and honestly very petty reaction which did not even address what I even posted. Finding out later that im being quoted on this as "The Trinity is fine because reasons" tells me you either did not understand, chose not to understand, or outright ignored the post entirely. What does that even mean, though? I believe my "reasons" were quite clear, and even THEN, I never said it was fine. I simply could not agree with the base reasoning for your idea- that its all SE's fault and they made some flawed system no one agrees with. I still think this is wrong, as you've not said anything to me that isn't directed at shutting me down since my original post.

You do not need to agree with my stance, as I have not agreed to yours, but don't interpret that as "salty" or me "trying to force you out". Because Frankly, I have been quite hospitable in this discussion.

By all means, if ANYONE on this thread can please quote me specifically where I was even remotely hostile in this thread, I would appreciate it. All I can think of was when I was being snarky. once. Because I was so blatantly dismissed. but beyond that, please. I'd like to know where these allegations are coming from from an unbiased source.