Dismantle the Holy Trinity

[Ahrniel]

This system you are talking about reminds me of one of the now dead superhero MMOs.
Everyone just picked the most pew pew thing and ignored every other option. Zero people healing, zero people being tanky. Pure deeps fest.
Running a dungeon was the worst thing ever. Groups were an unmanageable disaster.
Sorry, but I gotta agree with others, this is heresy.

I didn't know Warriors stopped tanking because they can put up a DPS level damage. I didn't know Overgeared Healers stopped healing because their damage is as strong as the undergeared DPS. Oh right, just cause I've seen something remotely similar fail in another game just like bananas remind me of yellow this isn't going to work in FF14. Wake up people, the dps are already everywhere in FF14.

[Reynhart]

I didn't know Warriors stopped tanking because they can put up a DPS level damage. I didn't know Overgeared Healers stopped healing because their damage is as strong as the undergeared DPS.

They didn't because they still queue as tank and healers, so it's expected for them to do so. Now, if everyone is either Fighter or Support, you can be sure than a lot of groups will only have "DPS" players.

Besides, if you remove these roles, you'll also remove every bonus tied to them. Bonus that were created to give a better incentive to play tanks and healers.

Point:
- SE's design is for everyone to DPS.
- But the Holy Trinity isn't helping that design.

You're right about these two points working really bad together. One of these is reponsible for the current mess...but maybe not the one you think.

[Tracewood]

This system you are talking about reminds me of one of the now dead superhero MMOs.
Everyone just picked the most pew pew thing and ignored every other option. Zero people healing, zero people being tanky. Pure deeps fest.
Running a dungeon was the worst thing ever. Groups were an unmanageable disaster.
Sorry, but I gotta agree with others, this is heresy.

Yeah, they tried it with XI to an extent. Only certain jobs were "allowed" to endgame because math nerds will want to be on the cutting edge of min/maxing. Other slightly less powerful jobs will be shunned into oblivion, even if you were excellent at it compared to the average flavor of the patch.

[Sigmar_Heldenhammer]

Relax, dude.
All I'm saying is this has been done before and it was an abysmal failure.

Also, "wake up sheeple, the dps is already everywhere," and so are the threads of "I'm a healer, I shouldn't have to DPS?" and "I want tanks to tank, not DPS."
What's your point?

[Ahrniel]

Also, "wake up sheeple, the dps is already everywhere," and so are the threads of "I'm a healer, I shouldn't have to DPS?" and "I want tanks to tank, not DPS."
What's your point?

Point:

- SE's design is for everyone to DPS.
- But the Holy Trinity isn't helping that design.
- So I suggested something that would.

Just read my main post, it is all there.

[Fluffernuff]

Point:

- SE's design is for everyone to DPS.
- But the Holy Trinity isn't helping that design.
- So I suggested something that would.

What SE designs and how the playerbase uses it are NOT the same.
SE could add a new high potency heal skill to all healers and the PLAYERS would be finding ways to use that heal to push higher DPS numbers. Do you honestly believe that everything SE designs around is everyone being a DPS and tanking and healing doesn't exist, or rather, is unnecessary?
A9-12S disagrees with you. Sophia EX disagrees with you. even EX roulette disagrees with you. SE has been actively addressing the DPS "problem" for a while since Gordias kinda fell on it's face with the DPS checks. patch after patch, they keep moving away from DPS and more towards mechanics. How in the hell do you get the idea SE is designing for DPS? because horizontal progression inflates numbers?

Even without that, the Trinity is the FOUNDATION of a game, what it's built on. A battle system and the roles within it are NOT. To change the trinity would be creating an entirely different game from the ground up. That's not an "expansion". that's not "an update". What you propose is actually on a LARGER scale than what happened to 1.0 with ARR.
This change wouldn't be Stromblood, it would be FFXIV-2. and we ALL know how well SE handles their "-2's"

[Ahrniel]

Stuff

Then do the Holy Trinity right.
If you can't do it right, do something else, if you can't do something else, shut down the game.

[Fluffernuff]

Then do the Holy Trinity right.
If you can't do it right, do something else, if you can't do something else, shut down the game.

So this... ISN'T a discussion anymore. your way or the highway. good to know

[Warghoul570]

Then do the Holy Trinity right.
If you can't do it right, do something else, if you can't do something else, shut down the game.

Oh yeah let's shut down the entire game on millions of people because one self righteousness elitist doesn' like the way it works. Yeah that will fix everything

[Avin00]

I think that is a slight miss understanding SE's design wasn't for everyone to DPS the community found that healers and tank's could dps so they did. Under your proposed solution the exact same thing would happen just without the labels.