RIP Minion Collectors :(

[Auteur]

Agree with the sentiments of the few PvPers in this thread, also there's an elephant in the room I'm surprised no one is talking about: people paying for boosts to get into the top ranking slots League of Legends promo style.

Personally, I don't take a strong position on this but I dunno about having a good chunk of the queue suddenly filled with boosters. Doesn't seem legit to me but I guess if no actual cash trades hands it's kosher to SE. I've seen in other PvP games though that boosting is severely frowned about / outright disallowed because it ruins the integrity of the ranking system.

The funny thing is that many elitists complaining about people being bad in PvE are probably prime candidates to contemplate boosting in PvP; whole different ballgame and many can beat up on scripted AI but can't do jack squat vs a live person.

[Aviars]

Honestly? Nothing. Not as a one-time-ever reward. If you could work towards the rewards by earning Wolf Marks or through an X number of Wins achievement, it would be fine. Even if the rewards were available for each season, at least you could have a chance at ever getting them.

It seems silly to me to waste dev time on something that only 10 people per data center will ever have. For event items, if you're there for the event and put in the effort, you can get all the rewards. Even for Forum Contests, with their exclusive prizes, if you enter enough of them you can eventually get all of them. Feast rewards are the only things in the game that you can put your heart and soul into earning and never get them.

I like how you assume that just entering the contest will somehow allow you to win out of pure chance.

Anyway, people have already mentioned that some items already are not possible to get, such as collector's editions or something like that? What is different about that than pvp exclusives? Oh ya, you could pop out the nifty credit card and buy it rather than be the most skilled in a certain game mode.

I'm sure if there was a item you could only buy in a certain timeframe there wouldn't be as much saltiness. I mean, I already see people spending hundreds of dollars to complete their minion collections.

[razzgrizz3]

They keep trying to incentivize people to do pvp. Gear glamour, mounts, now minions, seasons. Nothing has worked and nothing will. I will never touch this game mode just like ill never touch the hot garbage that is verminion. I remember they even shoehorned in this "pvp" into a story instance once. I felt dirty after having finished it.

But still they will try to make it work. And keep failing ...
I wonder how the japanese community is pvp wise.

[Aviars]

They keep trying to incentivize people to do pvp. Gear glamour, mounts, now minions, seasons. Nothing has worked and nothing will. I will never touch this game mode just like ill never touch the hot garbage that is verminion. I remember they even shoehorned in this "pvp" into a story instance once. I felt dirty after having finished it.

But still they will try to make it work. And keep failing ...
I wonder how the japanese community is pvp wise.

"Wow I hate this mode, it shouldn't get anything special because I don't like it!" - razzgrizz3

[Paladinleeds]

Fact is, I would never touch PvP with a 10 foot barge pole. I hated PvP in League, I hated PvP in WoW, I hated PvP in RuneScape, I absolutely despise the Call of Duty franchise. But ya know what, I hope SE makes PvP work. It might not be a PvP focused game, but more PvP needs to happen. Be it through exclusive minions or mounts, etc, it needs to happen. In fact, and I am actually being serious here, give PvP exclusive rewards equivalent to 100x that of PvE content. And I speak as someone who will never touch PvP. But throw enough exclusive rewards in there and a LOT will bite to try and get it.

[Praesul]

Being a minion/mount collector in an MMO is always a losing battle. There will always be content that you can't do, achievements you can't get, events you can't attend. Limited time only things that you'll miss out on, it ALWAYS happens.

Not all content is made for you and not all content is MEANT to be for you, this will be true for practically ANY modern MMO and I don't see why now would be any different. They shouldn't withhold exclusive rewards just because some people can't stand not having everything in the game (which has been impossible already for a while)

[Agrios]

Fact is, I would never touch PvP with a 10 foot barge pole. I hated PvP in League, I hated PvP in WoW, I hated PvP in RuneScape, I absolutely despise the Call of Duty franchise. But ya know what, I hope SE makes PvP work. It might not be a PvP focused game, but more PvP needs to happen. Be it through exclusive minions or mounts, etc, it needs to happen. In fact, and I am actually being serious here, give PvP exclusive rewards equivalent to 100x that of PvE content. And I speak as someone who will never touch PvP. But throw enough exclusive rewards in there and a LOT will bite to try and get it.

I really like your attitude. People need to quit trying to remove aspects of the game that they dislike and understand that everyone has different interests. I love the idea of PVP even though I never play it, seeing as how I'm much more into PVE.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

PvP...

When done well, it is self sustaining content.
The people playing it provide the content for the people they go up against.


That type of content is great for developers, as it provides a lot of return on investment for dev time spent.



That said, I don't really have any opinion on ffxiv's pvp as I have never participated.

[Seraphyna]

I wanted to address this directly. I'm an avid PvP player of this game. I fell in love with it despite all the imperfections and lack of popularity. I play it for the love of battle and recently started making videos of my best plays for the fun of it. Rewards are nice, but they're not the reason I enjoy PvP. I was even irritated when SE made the ADS mount I repeatedly asked for into a PvP reward, but it didn't make or break PvP for me.

I'm shooting down your statement directly. PvP happens, and there's a small but dedicated number of players enjoying it, with more curious but hesitant to approach it, and statements like yours are discouraging and unhelpful. I understand incentive might be nice to attract new people, and I will agree only with the fact that one time rewards aren't a good thing to motivate with, but some of us who PvP and enjoy it don't need the incentives. It's simply one of the things we love about the game.

That said, and with all due respect, if only now you want to PvP, just for some mount or a minion, please just save yourself the time and trouble. I mean, if you want it bad enough to fight and improve and rise up as an FFXIV PvPer, sure, go ahead. But if it's purely for the shiny new toy, then you'll wash your hands of it and never bother again, there are many of us that will practically guarantee you won't get it.

And I don't even know what it is or want it.

Go ahead and shoot down my statement but it doesn't make it any less true. I know plenty of people, myself included, that refuse to participate due to the trade winners, cheating, and boosters. You know what one time rewards do? Encourage more win trading, cheating, and boosting of rank. It does nothing to encourage actual PVP. People just want the reward. You would have thought they would have learned from the mount and mentor roulette. But, it seems thinking is in low supply. Throw out rewards but no thought about what it actually does to the game. Not exactly good for business.

If they want a good business model for PVP, they should look at GW2.

[Praesul]

Go ahead and shoot down my statement but it doesn't make it any less true. I know plenty of people, myself included, that refuse to participate due to the trade winners, cheating, and boosters. You know what one time rewards do? Encourage more win trading, cheating, and boosting of rank. It does nothing to encourage actual PVP. People just want the reward. You would have thought they would have learned from the mount and mentor roulette. But, it seems thinking is in low supply. Throw out rewards but no thought about what it actually does to the game. Not exactly good for business.

If they want a good business model for PVP, they should look at GW2.

If you don't want to participate in pvp because of wintraders, then fine, that's your loss. You greatly exaggerate the effect wintraders have on the ranking though, lol. I can tell you right know that the vast majority of people in the top 100 on Aether last season absolutely do deserve their spot, and I should know because I played with many of them multiple times, match after match after match. And the people in the top 10? You don't get there through wintrading. When the spotlight is on you and the community is so tight knit, it's very easy for someone to catch on. Almost everyone in the top 10 deserves their spot with the exception of like 1 person who is suspicious, who I won't name, but SE seems to think they earned it too so who am I to say they're wrong?

There were some wintraders on Aether but they were reported, stripped of their rewards and banned. So it's not like SE doesn't care. Wintrading is much easier to catch when it's a premade, too.

Of course I can only speak for Aether data center, I don't play on Primal or Chaos, and from what I've heard the JP data centers are much more competitive than the NA and EU ones so it's probably even LESS of a problem there.