RIP Minion Collectors :(

[Welsper59]

Lol extra mile? More like extra thousand miles. You realise the amount of people that have a chance at both the solo and party minion can probably be counted on one hand? There is no amount of PvP even an above average PvPer can do to get both here.

I do agree things don't have to go my way nor is anyone obligated to care about the minion collectors, but you have to agree that we don't have to be happy about it, and we obviously don't have to pay/play if we aren't having fun right?

The extra mile comment wasn't just about the PvP thing, rather it was about the whole "must have all of it" objective. Understatement, sure, but that's besides the point lol.

I most definitely agree with you on the matter that people don't have to be happy about it. There is, however, a distinct line between understanding something but being unhappy about it, and failing to understand but being unhappy about it. Just based on a number of the replies in this topic, the former seems more rampant.

I don't really get it when people make this argument. Everything we do in this game is completely pointless, and probably some things/everything in life depending on your world view. What matters is what's fun to us, especially when playing a game. I mean think about it this way, what if instead of a trial/raid/dungeon next patch we instead get Verminion expansion pack? I love verminion, I wouldn't mind. If you don't like verminion, you'd probably complain, and maybe quit. Would you like it if I came up to you and said who cares this game wont be on your job resume and won't bring you lasting value, just move on? I guess maybe you won't care, but you could see how some people would be extremely unhappy with this argument right? Just cause collecting minions is not fun to you doesn't mean someone doesn't care about it.

The point of that is often to showcase how it doesn't matter. That despite it being about fun, some things are just not worth being up in arms about. The complaint about these minions would be stronger if the point of the game were centered around it, as in if your situation setup about the LoV expansion ever came true.

That happening, however, is next to never. It's a complete shift of how the game is marketed and played, which in the case of LoV, would be an act of suicide for the future of this game. We'd all have far more to complain about than simple PvP minions if that came to be lol.

You're right in that I probably would quit if it happened, though particularly centered around the other factors lol. You're also obviously correct in how that statement can infuriate some people, simply because it belittles their points. That's part of the intent though, to show that it's not as big of a deal as folks make it out to be and shut down subjective and (sometimes) illogical arguments. That this is not some act of betrayal, which some users seem to imply, but rather their own skewed views of what is and is not regarding this game.

The minions in this game are NOT centered around some ideological philosophy that they must always be available to everyone. Lots of evidence suggest otherwise, including what brought this forum topic up in the first place.

[PotatoTree]

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The point of the Verminion thing was to show the alternate point of view for some compassion to those that do care about minions. If you want another example, lets say SE decides to forget about PvP entirely because only small portion of the people play it and PvP is a complete shift to the games marketing or how it's played. Maybe you're not a PvPer, but I'm sure you can see how many wouldn't be happy. Or think about something you like to do in this game? What if they change the way your class is played, like adding a cast time to a non-cast job like Bard? You might quit playing the job, or even the game, but are you telling me you don't feel a hint of sadness quitting something you spent a while doing, even when it's just a game and it's all pointless? And are you telling me that you would find it weird that people in the same position wouldn't go onto a forum specially made for giving devs feedback to talk about this issue?

You are trying to use logic to a topic that shouldn't be logical. You can tell someone that they shouldn't be sad if their pet goldfish died either as it isn't logical. It's just that you'd be forgetting about the alternate point of view. Again, I must repeat, to you it's not important, but to someone else it is. No matter how much logic you throw at it, it won't change a thing because liking to play this game is inherently illogical.

And I'd like to add, I've seen someone quit the game because they couldn't get a particular rare triple triad card after thousands of trial runs. And I would agree with them 100% in doing so as they are the sole judge of what is fun or not. In this case, a large group of people do not find adding two almost impossible to get minions fun, so it is 100% in their right to complain/quit, and you can see how someone wouldn't be happy with someone else telling them that this is not the right way to have fun in this game.

[alimdia]

It's hard to empathize with you high-end minion collectors when you kept encouraging SE to gate more minions behind physical products, at the point where someone who starts collecting now would have to spend $380 on physical products.

[ChocoFeru]

It's hard to empathize with you high-end minion collectors when you kept encouraging SE to gate more minions behind physical products, at the point where someone who starts collecting now would have to spend $380 on physical products.

Implying it's our fault when there are 100% digital items too, such as clothing, furnishing, dyes etc...

The PVP thing is quite discouraging for collectors, but I guess it's the best excuse to take it easy from now on.

[Yukiko]

I have NEVER before seen a pay2play with ingame shop to that extend how we have it now!
The number of items is even more than most free2play games have...
And same with all those gatings behind EXCLUSIVE content.

[Frowny]

My problem is that they try various ways to get people to do PvP and only like 1% of people give a rat's behind about it.
If you make PvP more enjoyable instead of a Zerg Rush, mindless zombie dance off with 5 skills then maybe people will care.
PvP is this games weakest of all content and it needs to be seriously thought through.
Front Lines was a good idea, they need to take a look at their other Team focused PvP game called Fantasy Earth Zero
[Being one of my fave mmos before shutting down and my fave PvP game ever.] and see what they can do.

I agree. Honestly, when we had maintenance for purely PvP fixes I was enraged. Stop pushing PvP so hard, either look into why people don't really do it or just axe it. PvE is strong here, pour the resources there.

[Colino]

I can sympathize with the idea of collection being stunted, but I'm also of the mind to know that it doesn't matter in the end. Are you going to add your collection efforts to your job resume? Are you going to use this as bragging rights when you play other games? Will your achievement of collecting bring you lasting value long after you stop playing this game? Chances are, the answer is either "no" or "not really". You at least understand that you'll move on, so point to you on it.

I adressed this point in the response you quoted, but that point applies to the ENTIRE game. Everything in this game is "pointless" if you like at it from that perspective, collecting minions is in fact no more pointless or important than getting world first. Are people putting "World First A12S clear" on their CVs? I would hope not.

So its ok if they use something OTHER people collect as an exclusive reward just not what you like to collect huh.

It's not a matter of what I collect, it's simply a matter of them locking minions behind content in a way they have never done before. I don't get why your response has to be that snarky either, since it added absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Makes you wonder what is ok to make a exclusive reward in PvP.

How about the exclusive rewards they've had for season 1 and 2? Was their massive outcry that we needed more incentivising rewards in PVP? If their objective was to get people to play, why not add more minions that are redeemable via wolf marks like they did with the cheerleader?

[Reynhart]

What's the point of a collection if nothing is rare in it...?

That's why you have limited editions in real life...

[TiaHariberux3]

How about the exclusive rewards they've had for season 1 and 2? Was their massive outcry that we needed more incentivising rewards in PVP? If their objective was to get people to play, why not add more minions that are redeemable via wolf marks like they did with the cheerleader?

People knew such rewards are coming since they said they will change rewards but now alot are complaining instead of saying "gratz to top10 sick minion". Why ppl want everything (in a easy way). There are so many exclusive items that u cant get why complain about this (like going to fanfest irl gg ez). Wolf mark rewards would be terrible ppl would go into pvp like in the past and afk for tomes/marks.

[Alleo]

Well thanks to preorder minions and all those merchandise minions that I missed because I did not play at that time I would never had a complete collection either way (and it irks me..) but I still had said to me that I will try to collect those ingame minions that are included after I started playing..well seems like this aim is done too..

This game has a variety of content to do and people do it out of their own reasons. Some people will try to bang their head against the hardest content in the game for the reward/accomplishment..others love to just socialize with others, some like to collect things...I would be okay if the minions would need a high amount of wolf marks because it would be a reward for long time playing PVP and at the same time I can work towards it on my own pace...(so a win/win for both sides..people play PVP longer if they want the minion and we can take our time to do so)

They now take their limited time to create a exclusive mount and minion (and its recolors) for only a very small population..yet its somehow not possible to implement the bunny suit for men much faster..

I am not sure how this is even good for the true PVPers...I mean now people will try to get at least into the top 100 which means that you will have lots of people that will play this only for the reward and not for PVP itself..maybe this will even keep some of the more dedicated PVPers from getting a good rank in the season by loosing lots of matches thanks to these people..

I kinda wonder how people would feel if they restrict their content? How about making an exclusive hair style that only drops a certain amount of time? How about only a certain amount of raiders can get the new mount or even the gear? I mean its just an ingame item? And if you want it you just need to git gud or something..