RIP Minion Collectors :(

[kuma_aus]

I don't see how this is that much different from people not being able to get Wind-up Bahamut and Wind-up Dalamud. I will never get those 2 minions and the many others from promotions like them and it is upsetting but at the same time I don't mind that much. The thing that makes these minions better than other limited time only minions is that it's skill based as well and not only time based.

And no, this is nothing like who can get good RNG better than others like the bird collecting example in the second post. It's who can do PvP better than others.

[PotatoTree]

If you mean this in a way that you don't care to go that extra mile anymore, but don't mind the minions in general given your hobby, then welcome to the realist club. Where unreasonable expectations are expected to fail sooner or later. If you meant it as though you're trying to say screw minions entirely, given the previous hobby of collecting them, then lol.

Lol extra mile? More like extra thousand miles. You realise the amount of people that have a chance at both the solo and party minion can probably be counted on one hand? There is no amount of PvP even an above average PvPer can do to get both here.

I do agree things don't have to go my way nor is anyone obligated to care about the minion collectors, but you have to agree that we don't have to be happy about it, and we obviously don't have to pay/play if we aren't having fun right?

but I'm also of the mind to know that it doesn't matter in the end. Are you going to add your collection efforts to your job resume? Are you going to use this as bragging rights when you play other games? Will your achievement of collecting bring you lasting value long after you stop playing this game? Chances are, the answer is either "no" or "not really". You at least understand that you'll move on, so point to you on it.

I don't really get it when people make this argument. Everything we do in this game is completely pointless, and probably some things/everything in life depending on your world view. What matters is what's fun to us, especially when playing a game. I mean think about it this way, what if instead of a trial/raid/dungeon next patch we instead get Verminion expansion pack? I love verminion, I wouldn't mind. If you don't like verminion, you'd probably complain, and maybe quit. Would you like it if I came up to you and said who cares this game wont be on your job resume and won't bring you lasting value, just move on? I guess maybe you won't care, but you could see how some people would be extremely unhappy with this argument right? Just cause collecting minions is not fun to you doesn't mean someone doesn't care about it.

[Welsper59]

Lol extra mile? More like extra thousand miles. You realise the amount of people that have a chance at both the solo and party minion can probably be counted on one hand? There is no amount of PvP even an above average PvPer can do to get both here.

I do agree things don't have to go my way nor is anyone obligated to care about the minion collectors, but you have to agree that we don't have to be happy about it, and we obviously don't have to pay/play if we aren't having fun right?

The extra mile comment wasn't just about the PvP thing, rather it was about the whole "must have all of it" objective. Understatement, sure, but that's besides the point lol.

I most definitely agree with you on the matter that people don't have to be happy about it. There is, however, a distinct line between understanding something but being unhappy about it, and failing to understand but being unhappy about it. Just based on a number of the replies in this topic, the former seems more rampant.

I don't really get it when people make this argument. Everything we do in this game is completely pointless, and probably some things/everything in life depending on your world view. What matters is what's fun to us, especially when playing a game. I mean think about it this way, what if instead of a trial/raid/dungeon next patch we instead get Verminion expansion pack? I love verminion, I wouldn't mind. If you don't like verminion, you'd probably complain, and maybe quit. Would you like it if I came up to you and said who cares this game wont be on your job resume and won't bring you lasting value, just move on? I guess maybe you won't care, but you could see how some people would be extremely unhappy with this argument right? Just cause collecting minions is not fun to you doesn't mean someone doesn't care about it.

The point of that is often to showcase how it doesn't matter. That despite it being about fun, some things are just not worth being up in arms about. The complaint about these minions would be stronger if the point of the game were centered around it, as in if your situation setup about the LoV expansion ever came true.

That happening, however, is next to never. It's a complete shift of how the game is marketed and played, which in the case of LoV, would be an act of suicide for the future of this game. We'd all have far more to complain about than simple PvP minions if that came to be lol.

You're right in that I probably would quit if it happened, though particularly centered around the other factors lol. You're also obviously correct in how that statement can infuriate some people, simply because it belittles their points. That's part of the intent though, to show that it's not as big of a deal as folks make it out to be and shut down subjective and (sometimes) illogical arguments. That this is not some act of betrayal, which some users seem to imply, but rather their own skewed views of what is and is not regarding this game.

The minions in this game are NOT centered around some ideological philosophy that they must always be available to everyone. Lots of evidence suggest otherwise, including what brought this forum topic up in the first place.

[PotatoTree]

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The point of the Verminion thing was to show the alternate point of view for some compassion to those that do care about minions. If you want another example, lets say SE decides to forget about PvP entirely because only small portion of the people play it and PvP is a complete shift to the games marketing or how it's played. Maybe you're not a PvPer, but I'm sure you can see how many wouldn't be happy. Or think about something you like to do in this game? What if they change the way your class is played, like adding a cast time to a non-cast job like Bard? You might quit playing the job, or even the game, but are you telling me you don't feel a hint of sadness quitting something you spent a while doing, even when it's just a game and it's all pointless? And are you telling me that you would find it weird that people in the same position wouldn't go onto a forum specially made for giving devs feedback to talk about this issue?

You are trying to use logic to a topic that shouldn't be logical. You can tell someone that they shouldn't be sad if their pet goldfish died either as it isn't logical. It's just that you'd be forgetting about the alternate point of view. Again, I must repeat, to you it's not important, but to someone else it is. No matter how much logic you throw at it, it won't change a thing because liking to play this game is inherently illogical.

And I'd like to add, I've seen someone quit the game because they couldn't get a particular rare triple triad card after thousands of trial runs. And I would agree with them 100% in doing so as they are the sole judge of what is fun or not. In this case, a large group of people do not find adding two almost impossible to get minions fun, so it is 100% in their right to complain/quit, and you can see how someone wouldn't be happy with someone else telling them that this is not the right way to have fun in this game.

[Aviars]

Makes you wonder what is ok to make a exclusive reward in PvP.

[Beckett]

Makes you wonder what is ok to make a exclusive reward in PvP.

Honestly? Nothing. Not as a one-time-ever reward. If you could work towards the rewards by earning Wolf Marks or through an X number of Wins achievement, it would be fine. Even if the rewards were available for each season, at least you could have a chance at ever getting them.

It seems silly to me to waste dev time on something that only 10 people per data center will ever have. For event items, if you're there for the event and put in the effort, you can get all the rewards. Even for Forum Contests, with their exclusive prizes, if you enter enough of them you can eventually get all of them. Feast rewards are the only things in the game that you can put your heart and soul into earning and never get them.

[Aviars]

Honestly? Nothing. Not as a one-time-ever reward. If you could work towards the rewards by earning Wolf Marks or through an X number of Wins achievement, it would be fine. Even if the rewards were available for each season, at least you could have a chance at ever getting them.

It seems silly to me to waste dev time on something that only 10 people per data center will ever have. For event items, if you're there for the event and put in the effort, you can get all the rewards. Even for Forum Contests, with their exclusive prizes, if you enter enough of them you can eventually get all of them. Feast rewards are the only things in the game that you can put your heart and soul into earning and never get them.

I like how you assume that just entering the contest will somehow allow you to win out of pure chance.

Anyway, people have already mentioned that some items already are not possible to get, such as collector's editions or something like that? What is different about that than pvp exclusives? Oh ya, you could pop out the nifty credit card and buy it rather than be the most skilled in a certain game mode.

I'm sure if there was a item you could only buy in a certain timeframe there wouldn't be as much saltiness. I mean, I already see people spending hundreds of dollars to complete their minion collections.

[Morningstar1337]

Dalamud, Cait Sith and Bahamut meant that all attempts at a complete collection are inherently futile. And the Yo-kai Watch minions the Primogs and Excalibur minions would be added to this list for players that joined later. So I'd still be collecting minions regardless.

The thing is, this was inevitable that they would add more time gated minions. The more a game gets updated, the more things are gonna be added and the more likely that it will be impossible to get all the things. There isn't much that could change that. A good example would be the Trading card games such as Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic, where the individual cards would number in the thousands at best and the millions at worst (plus some very rare cards as well)

[alimdia]

It's hard to empathize with you high-end minion collectors when you kept encouraging SE to gate more minions behind physical products, at the point where someone who starts collecting now would have to spend $380 on physical products.

[ChocoFeru]

It's hard to empathize with you high-end minion collectors when you kept encouraging SE to gate more minions behind physical products, at the point where someone who starts collecting now would have to spend $380 on physical products.

Implying it's our fault when there are 100% digital items too, such as clothing, furnishing, dyes etc...

The PVP thing is quite discouraging for collectors, but I guess it's the best excuse to take it easy from now on.