What Skills Should Become Role Specific.

[Eloah]

So with the prospect of 4.0 redoing the battle system and some skills will become Role specific, I was wondering what skills you think should be removed from a class/job and be placed into the pool of abilities for common use. That being said there should be some criteria to follow. First any skills or abilities listed in the lore book for a job should be considered cannon to just that job, so skills/abilities that would seem obsolete or useful for other jobs, like Ley Lines or Leeches, must stay. Second, the abilities cannot be as cut and dry as give it to everyone give it to these jobs not these, so for that a system needs to be in place. I will present said system below. Finally, and abilities/traits that are adjusted to this system should come with an explaination as to why, its an ability everyone expects, these jobs get it but one doesn't, even though that job provides the same function, etc. And with that lets start brainstorming. I will be adding my own ideas later, i cant right now, since I am on my phone.

Here is the list of the criteria for a skill for each class/job. So as long as you classify a skill as one or more things then that skill can be used by those classes/jobs.

Categories:
Primary Role: Tank, DPS, Healer
Disciple: War, Magic
Battle Style: Offensive, Defensive, Support
Type of Attacks: Physical, Caster
Distance: Melee, Ranged

Classes/Jobs will be given one classification from each category. Skills will be given at least one category as well. In order for a Class/Job to be able to use said skill they must meet all of the requirements. For instance, Provoke is classified as a Tank skill, so only a Class/Job classified as a Tank can use it. Transversely, Raging Strikes is a DPS & Ranged Skill, so a Class/Job must be a DPS and use Ranged attacks; so while Monk might meet the DPS, they aren't Ranged, and Scholar is Ranged but not a DPS, they cannot use the Skill.

TANKS
Gladiator/Paladin: Tank, War, Defensive, Physical, Melee
Marauder/Warrior: Tank, War, Offensive, Physical, Melee
Dark Knight: Tank, War, Offensive, Physical, Melee

DPS
Pugilist/Monk: DPS, War, Offensive, Physical, Melee
Lancer/Dragoon: DPS, War, Offensive, Physical, Melee
Rogue/Ninja: DPS, War, Offensive, Physical, Melee
Archer/Bard: DPS, War, Support, Physical, Ranged
Machinist: DPS, War, Support, Physical, Ranged
Thaumaturge/Black Mage: DPS, Magic, Offensive, Caster, Ranged
Arcanist/Summoner: DPS, Magic, Support, Caster, Ranged

HEALER
Conjurer/White Mage: Healer, Magic, Defensive, Caster, Ranged
Scholar: Healer, Magic, Defensive, Caster, Ranged
Astrologian: Healer, Magic, Defensive, Caster, Ranged

Abilities From Tanks

Paladin loses 3 skills
Flash: Tank (This skill can be replaced with a proper AoE skill for GLD/PLD)
Convalescence: Tank (Possibly replaced with a new Shield skill that an heal HP for each attack sustained)
Provoke: Tank (This could be replaced with a new OGCD attack skill)

Warrior loses 3 skills
Foresight: War, Melee (this should be replaced with a Skill similar to Vengence but with less Damage/Protection)
Bloodbath: War, Melee (Not Sure what this could be replaced with)
Mercy Stroke: Tank (A new OGCD skill that attacks everyone at once)

Dark Knight loses 2 skills (DRK really doesn't need to share any skills but its only fair, maybe)
Reprisal: Tank (Not Sure what this could be replaced with)
Blood Price: Tank (Not Sure what this could be replaced with)

Abilities From DPS

Monk loses 4 skills
Featherfoot: War, Melee
Second Wind: War, DPS
Internal Release: War
Mantra: War, DPS

Dragoon loses 2 skills
Invigorate: War
Blood for Blood: War, DPS

Ninja loses 1 skills (Similar to DRK NIN was designed to not really need to share any skills but Goad is the biggest skill to possibly share)
Goad: War, DPS, Melee

Bard loses 4 skills
Raging Strikes: DPS, Ranged
Hawk's Eye: War, DPS, Ranged
Quelling Strikes: DPS, Ranged
Barrage: War, DPS, Ranged

Machinist loses 1 skills (Same deal built solid)
Reassemble: War, DPS, Ranged

Black Mage loses 3 skills
Blizzard II: Magic, Ranged
Swiftcast: Magic, Ranged
Convert: Magic, DPS

Summoner loses 3 skills
Physick: Magic
Virus: Magic, Ranged
Eye for an Eye: Magic, Ranged

Abilities From Healers

White Mage loses 5 skills (this is tough since Cure and Aero are intrigal to the WHM but cure could be used for Pally and Aero for the other healers)
Cure: Defensive
Aero: Magic, Defensive, Ranged
Cleric Stance: Healer
Protect: Defensive
Stoneskin: Defensive

Scholar (see Summoner)

Astrologian loses 3 skills (same deal AST was build to be self contained)
Lightspeed: Healer
Disable: Magic, Ranged
Synastry: Healer

Updates are slowly underway, enjoy.

[ErikMynhier]

I would do the moogle quest all over again for Reprisal to be a "TANK" skill. Not truly super useful, but a fun skill.

Obvious candidates I think would be TANK: Provoke, Convalescence, Feather Foot, Blood Price, Fight or Flight.

[Dzian]

I would do the moogle quest all over again for Reprisal to be a "TANK" skill. Not truly super useful, but a fun skill.

Obvious candidates I think would be TANK: Provoke, Convalescence, Feather Foot, Blood Price, Fight or Flight.

Fight or flight isn't really a role specific Skill.

the only ones that are role specific really would be the almost manadatory skills like provoke, portect and cleric stance. skills you simply can't do your job properly without.

a warrior/dark for example could do just fine without convalescence. it'd be pretty borked without provoke though

[ErikMynhier]

Fight or flight isn't really a role specific Skill.

the only ones that are role specific really would be the almost manadatory skills like provoke, portect and cleric stance. skills you simply can't do your job properly without.

a warrior/dark for example could do just fine without convalescence. it'd be pretty borked without provoke though

Logically you are correct, however we only know what we as players see as role skills SE may think differently. I anticipate both logical skills as well as a number of "WTF?" skills. What would be a salt storm of endless madness will be if Swiftcast is marked as Magic DPS and healers lose it.

[myahele]

Most important I can think of:

Tanks: Provoke

Healers and Casters: Swiftcast

Physical DPS: Invigorate. Maybe a self-heal like 2nd wind since MCH don't have access to that

[Tyrn]

Provoke for all tanks.
Protect for all healers.
Cleric Stance for all healers.
Swiftcast for all magic users.
Invigorate for all physical dps.
Second Wind for all dps.

[Ultimatecalibur]

The only skills that are guaranteed to become role specific addidtional skills are those that are required to complete content. Provoke (which is needed in any content where a tank swap occurs) and Cleric Stance (needed so healers can complete the DpS checks required for solo content) are pretty much guaranteed to be remove from Gladiator and Conjurer to become role skills.

Every other "must have" additional skill is nice but not necessary and may or may not end up in the role pools.

It is quite possible that the role specific pool has skills that may be weaker than those cross-class skills gained by leveling up other classes/jobs and share cooldown with their superior skills to prevent stacking of them.

[Eloah]

I still cant adjust the specifics for each job but i can when i get home, but a skill like reprisal or fight or flight coukd qualify for this topic. Its skills like the esuna skills and the tank shield that sadly cannot become this for possible lore reasons. Leeches is written into the lore book as a Scholar only skill; though adding traits for each one to make it unique might be nice. Similarly, Leylines, would be cool for any caster, but since its in the lore for BLM its out of the running. But keep it up, this coukd help the devs more than we think.

[Blood-Aki]

Swift cast for mages is pretty set in stone, i use it far to much for most things to do without it at this point.

cleric stance for healers as well, (well sch and ast) but dpsing without it is pretty much a complete waste of mp.

Provoke for tanks, i do not think any proper tank would level without it.

[Eloah]

I should also add, feel free to talk about and skills you feel should be pruned entirely, like surecast is next to useless. Most attacks that are worth avoiding would make you cancel the cast in general, where as, and aoe you choose to get hit by you'd finish the cast anyway. I suggest making it a new BLM exclusive skill that lowers the cast time of the higher tier spells.