Patch Notes Up!

[KrenianKandos]

I'm pretty upset by the new PotD requirements. I have two friends that I can consistently play with, but our play window is very small. Finding a 4th person who is available for that limited window and is willing to only play for ~an hour per day is going to be very difficult.

PotD went from one of the most casual friendly pieces of content in the game to one of the least overnight.

S-E has also stated time and time again that 100-200 was not meant for casual friendly stuff. It was meant to be the equal to Savage raid.

Short of having a good group being able to coordinate together, Savage raids normally don't do very well in DF. Nor are they added initially to the DF. This doesn't stray from the norm.

Kinda confused why you'd be upset to content you don't have time to do. You wouldn't be able to master a Savage raid in an hour. This amounts to the same.

[Beckett]

You don't need a full party.

You don't need a full party, but it's going to be very difficult to clear this content without one. At the very least, it will be much slower.

Kinda confused why you'd be upset to content you don't have time to do. You wouldn't be able to master a Savage raid in an hour. This amounts to the same.

It just seems a very odd decision to have incredibly casual content go straight into hardcore content. It would be like saying you can buy the Fenrir mount with MGP earned from Triple Triad, but you have to beat A8S to do it. It's especially odd since this has story content, and they said with Alexander that they no longer wanted to gate any story behind hardcore-only content. I don't necessarily agree with that (I loved accessing story by beating Coils) but I wish they'd pick a side and stick with it.

[KrenianKandos]

You don't need a full party, but it's going to be very difficult to clear this content without one. At the very least, it will be much slower.




It just seems a very odd decision to have incredibly casual content go straight into hardcore content. It would be like saying you can buy the Fenrir mount with MGP earned from Triple Triad, but you have to beat A8S to do it. It's especially odd since this has story content, and they said with Alexander that they no longer wanted to gate any story behind hardcore-only content. I don't necessarily agree with that (I loved accessing story by beating Coils) but I wish they'd pick a side and stick with it.

Well yes and no.

Think about it on a raiding standpoint: Technically, they could have made Alexander the same was as Coil was in 2.0. But they wanted everyone to do the story and Savage Mode was introduced as regular content for hardcore people. It follows the general guidelines that were established when they first showed off Savage for Second Coil:

1) A group is going to go in there and not be able to simply DF it; you will need a permanent party or a Party Finder.
2) This is not easy content nor is it casual content. This was made to test your mettle.
3) This doesn't really go into detail with extra story. This is just harder requirements.

The only caveat to that is that Alexander introduced the higher tiered gear that you can get from Savage. This was not the case in 2.0 Savage and, to me, has caused a lot of headaches with the whole itemization level we've seen in 3.0 (That's a story for another time.)

PotD actually follows 2.0 a bit more than 3.0, with the only fact that you probably are going to get more Silver/Gold from the higher levels. You don't get extra gear, you don't get anything story wise you wouldn't get from doing only up to 100, and it's a test to see how good you are. It's like an extra set of goodies for you to do.

To me, this follows the same logic they've followed in regards to 'Savage' content. If you think about it: Alexander is pretty damn casual really. Sure, the fights were a headache, but once you figured it out, you could plow through. PotD will be the same way once people get the required gear level to flow through most of it. And even then, it'll be more challenging than the Alexander normal stuff because you will be exchanging your + number for gear when you want, which will increase the difficulty of your runs due to the lowering of stats.

I don't know. I don't have an FC that has many members that are active and 4 man content together is hard to do and I do most of my stuff in DF. This doesn't phase me in the least and I've come to accept that the Savage portion of this game won't be done. I just don't get upset about it, really.

[razzgrizz3]

So if you want to do potd 101+ you are essentialy forced to create a PERMANENT 4 man static without the ability of swaping out members? This is an even harsher requirement than a savage static haha. What an absolutely moronic way of doing it...
Why lock out people out of floors 101+ llike this?! Just make the qeue requirement akin to that of savage raids, there is absolutely no need for this fixed garbage.

[MomomiMomi]

So if you want to do potd 101+ you are essentialy forced to create a 4 man static without the ability of swaping out members? This is an even harsher requirement than a savage static haha. What an absolutely moronic way of doing it...
Why lock out people out of floors 101+ llike this?! Just make the qeue requirement akin to that of savage raids, there is absolutely no need for this fixed garbage.

You do not need a full party.

[Talraen]

You do not need a full party.

So you keep saying, and you are technically correct. But if this is really supposed to be challenging content, having less than four people will obviously make it even more challenging (you don't get any kind of bonus for going in undersized). So if you don't have exactly four people playing together, you are going to suffer - if you have less, it's harder than intended, and if you have more, someone gets left out.

Personally, I won't be touching floors 101+ for the same reason I don't raid: I refuse to play on a schedule. Disappointed by this choice, but it is what it is. I'll still enjoy 51-100.

[razzgrizz3]

You do not need a full party.

Yeah no maybe learn to read??
The main problem is the fixed part. What difference is it if its 3 or 2? Members cannot be swapped and if one of your friends cant go that day NOONE in your save data goes. You ar locked out.
Moronic.

[MomomiMomi]

Yeah no maybe learn to read??
The main problem is the fixed part. What difference is it if its 3 or 2? Members cannot be swapped and if one of your friends cant go that day NOONE in your save data goes. You ar locked out.
Moronic.

The difference is that it's much easier to get 2 or 3 members than it is to get 4.

[Dragon_Sanders]

Horrible...I'll drown myself in PoD.

[NefarioCall]

I'm having tileset deja-vu here...
is it so much to ask that the graphics be changed even a LITTLE bit every 10 floors?
Geez...