Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
Boring yes, but compare the effort level. Even back in the horror days of 210, you basically did ARR Beast Tribes you were massively overleveled for or Gordias normal... which you were also overgeared for. The 230 Step? Do Crystal Tower once a week for five weeks or farm esos. All of that is mindless and requires neither skill nor teamwork. Savage, on the other hand, demands you perform to the very best. People who do, are rewarded for it.
Ok, lets compare the effort level. Which is nowhere near the same thing as the skill level or the commitment level (which I'd argue is greater on the Relic's side of things).



Relic : guy starts off by grinding FATEs, then running ten dungeons, then a GC Seal/ARR Beast Tribe grind, followed by tomestones and then more tomestones/Leves.

VS

Guy walks into a11s and walks out with the stuff for an i260 weapon. Then walks into a12s and walks out with the stuff for an i270 weapon, or an i275 weapon.

Granted, the a11s and a12s require more skill, but I'd say that the greater effort is required by the person starting their HW Relic. And that's not even considering how much effort is needed to go from i240 to i260 relic.