32 Button Scholar - Complications?

[Tinkerblue]

Hey, Steady. Go to the crossbar settings and you should have the option to choose what crossbars show up when sheathed and unsheathed. turn both of those options on and just make sure the same crossbars are selected for both. that way they'll never cycle through the crossbars that you don't want them to. (for example, you use Crossbar 1 and 2 normally for attack skills, and you use 3 as your R2+L2 for your cooldowns or whatever you actually use them for)

[Dzian]

It's Mana burst. It's DPS burst. It's Healing burst. It's utility is as flexible as Aetherflow.

Dissipation is really naff. It's not really a mana burst at all as typically Any mana you would typically gain from it only ends up going on the cost of summoning your fairy.

I've never found it any good as a dps gain either, as the lack of fairy only increases the amount of healing I have to do which then reduces my time spent in cleric stance and has an overall negative effect on my potential dps.

it's not really a healing buff either as the 20% potency does not affect lustrates or indomnibles, and generically if you need aether stacks in a pinch its because you need these skills. and if you need those skills that badly its fairly safe to say you're quite fooooked for mp which means losing the fairys heals is likely to cripple you even more. not to mention the expensive mp cost to summon it back.

on the whole it's naff.

[FoxyAreku]

You need a better cohealer if they can't get by without your fairy for 30 seconds (most scholars use selene anyway which a white mage or ast wouldn't even notice is missing).

3 more energy drains in your opener is a DPS gain no matter what, and it is an mp boost as well if done in the middle of the fight or when you get low or whenever. It's just silly to deny this. It can be fair to say that you'll spend most (not all) of that mana to resummon your fairy later, but that's only if you're looking at the overall numbers, the mp boost side of it is more for the moment, to tide you over until aetherflow is back. Not to mention the extra potential lustrates it gives you.

There are also many times in savage progression when the $%#@ hits the fan and you just really could use 3 more lustrates. A1S progression last year comes to mind as an example, it made it soooo much easier to heal the double prey+tank buster.

It seems to me that people who don't actually raid as a scholar don't understand dissipation, while those like Rawrz who do love it. It's like the Cure III of scholars, the skill that separates the good from the great. Anyway, my 2 cents.

[Llynd]

Actually I'm raiding a lot ( currently on a12s) and i used Dissipation like 2 times in my life ? ( i once had to take the heals back when my whm died in a very bad moment). I hadn't enough stack to heal it like that, and since eos was on cd that was my very last option. But that was one particular case. ( i dont thing it's a big dps gain in the opener, 6 stacks is enough for me).
For a 60 skill, i really thing Dissipation should give at least a 5/10% dps boost.

[raela]

Another option I've used is a cleric stance macro to hop between crossbar 4 (dps) and 2 (healing). Utility and fairy skills go on both or on extended, and fairy summoms put their specific skills on the bar. If you hit cleric stance too fast, it can end up with you on the wrong bar, so it does require awareness and manually swapping bars with l1 at times. I've since switched to fairy skills / some utility skills on the wxhb, though I'm not really too impressed with it..

[Steady]

Hey, Steady. Go to the crossbar settings and you should have the option to choose what crossbars show up when sheathed and unsheathed. turn both of those options on and just make sure the same crossbars are selected for both. that way they'll never cycle through the crossbars that you don't want them to. (for example, you use Crossbar 1 and 2 normally for attack skills, and you use 3 as your R2+L2 for your cooldowns or whatever you actually use them for)

I was actually comming back to the thread to state that was exactly what I did. Though didn't think it was gonna work because it kept tripping up and taking me back to bar 1 after using something on bar2, but that seemed to be some other checkbox I had filled that was doing that. Too bad there wasn't a way to just use the pet bar this way, but it doesn't matter now.


So basically I made my third hotbar my pet hotbar. Using the Pet hotbar, would inevitably hide my 2nd hotbar, or 1st... it was aweful... So yeah. The only macros I have is action swapping Fairy macros, and an EMbrace on my DPS bar that targets <tt>. ANd maybe an energry drain one that does the same.

When i first tried to setup the W bar I had a problem with it because it would STILL make me a 3rd hot bar to toggle too, which on the fly was tedious and slowed me down worse than any macro would have. Which was basically the same complaint I had with a pet hotbar. SO yeah, the point of the post is kinda moot now, now that the solution is more elegant than it once seemed. Thanks though.

OH.. and OH SNAP, I know you

[Kamui_Argent]

Macros etc aside is it even possible to play SCH optimally on anything other than keyboard and mouse?

I main a SCH playing with a gamepad and it comes down to how your reflexes are and how familiar you are with your setup. I admit we lose mousoever macros but the fairy is pretty good at choosing its target most of the time and once you get used to selecting people from the party list I barely notice any performance issues when comparing myself to other SCH. I've been with other SCH who swear up and down by their mouseover macros and how SCH is impossible to play on gamepad and even when solo-healing, it all comes down to how fast you can react and how aware you are of the fight. I'm not the best SCH, heck I consider myself fairly ok, currently in A10S enrage, but I'd like to say that SCH is fine with gamepad and just use the setup that's comfortable for you and allows you to maximize your performance to the best of your capabilities.

[Irohma]

This (Eos and Selene):

/ac "Swiftcast" <me>
/ac "Summon" <me>
/chotbar pet "Fey Covenant" "Eos" 1 5
/chotbar pet "Whispering Dawn" "Eos" 1 6
/chotbar pet "Fey Illumination" "Eos" 1 7

(3 buttons for pet actions, 2 for each summon) - (5 buttons)

Protect, Obey, and every other regular pet action go to a secondary hotbar. They shouldn't consume your 32 buttons.

Macro Swiftcast with Resurrection too. (6 bts)

Macro to 1 click Eye for an Eye and 2 clicks Deployment Tactics. (7 bts)

Ruin II? Not on my 32 buttons.

That leaves 25 buttons. Aetherflow (1), Sacred Soil (2), Sustain (3), Rouse (4), Emergency Tactics (5), Energy Drian (6), Leeches (7), Indomitability (8), Physick (9), Adlo (10), Succor (11), Lustrate (12), Ruin (13), Dissipation (14), Cleric Stance (15), Stoneskin (16), Shadow Flare (17), Miasma II (18), Blizzard II (19), Virus (20), bane (21), Broil (22), Bio II (23), Miasma (24), and Bio (25).

I am missing something? Anyway, perhaps this can help you!

[technole]

Actually I'm raiding a lot ( currently on a12s) and i used Dissipation like 2 times in my life ? ( i once had to take the heals back when my whm died in a very bad moment). I hadn't enough stack to heal it like that, and since eos was on cd that was my very last option. But that was one particular case. ( i dont thing it's a big dps gain in the opener, 6 stacks is enough for me).
For a 60 skill, i really thing Dissipation should give at least a 5/10% dps boost.

Dissipate, in conjunction with planning a fairy swap from Selene to Eos in the opener after getting Fey Wind out for the DPS, casters especially. Along with the extra stacks is a DPS gain.

[Tashim]

Energy Drain returns half the mp necessary to summon a pet, so even if you just eat the fairy, using 2 of the 3 bonus aetherflow stacks, you still break even. With all three, it is a minor net gain, along with a healing buff, and some bonus damage with negligible self-heals from the energy drains.

Sch does get two separate healing buffs, Dissipation and Fey Illumination. I use both often, they are amazing, and multiplicative.

In the interest of saving space, however, you might consider a macro with lustrate and energy drain, depending on if the target is hostile or not will determine which one takes effect. This isn't practical with targeting macros [tt] macros, you'd have to actually target them yourself, but it would save you a button.

You may want to consider using a third bar, not for direct access, but to toggle back and forth with cleric stance macros, as you don't want to use dps skills without it, and you don't want to heal with it. it is a little slower this way, not being able to queue the cleric stance, but it can save you a few buttons.
/ac "cleric stance" <me>
/chotbar change 3
You might be able to get by with macroing in swiftcast with pet summons and resurrection, but I don't like doing that personally. (and I sometimes use it for shadow flare)