32 Button Scholar - Complications?

[Rawrz]

My summon macro for both pets includes OBEY. I actually have to manually switch them back for sic for the random low level dungeon where it's almost pointness to try to control her and you can just DPS the whole thing.

Still not clear how a priority macro causes lag when I can't visibly see it. If anything it would lag Ruin 1 in capped content since the priority falls on Broil, which would only be capped content anyhow. I spose I can take a timer, spam it for 60 seconds with and without and see for myself.

Again, I suppose I have a hard time seeing myself "wasting Aetherflow" in this manner.

Perhaps I should have stated up front. I main Warrior. I have no interest in Maining Scholar. Frankly speaking.. I'm trying to make Scholar tolerable, as having more than 32 buttons is INtolerable to me. I don't hate the job because if has 3-4 action bars worth of abilities.... I hate PLAYING the job with that many action bars. So My object was to create a solution that makes this job fun for me to play in contrast to WHM which doesn't have these issues.

So my intention is to do fairly casual content, and try to make this job enjoyable for me, the dumb Roe who raids with an AXE and likes fewer buttons. :P

At any rate, sounds like in summary, the Scholar Purists are in agreement that anything other than having each button individually accessible is blasphemy, and if you can't handle 64 buttons, then GTFO. Sound bout right? :P

Scholar can be broken down into very manageable parts, so you might end up with "64" buttons but you'll end up only using "32" at a time. Go ahead and replace your fairy skills on summon. That's a pretty common thing to do. You can also place a regular hotbar to keep your eyes on CDs that are on your extended or within a macro in your Hud settings. I would make sure you have a way to spam embrace even while the tank is at 100% to increase your DPS uptime and a slot for mind pots.

I really don't like your Aetherflow macro, because as Ive said, I used to use it too. Over time you'll notice that it can hiccup. You shouldn't be limiting your playstyle by what you try to avoid to keep it going. Go ahead and use it, later you can change it. Muscle memory can evolve.

Here's a macro to help you out on all your healers, removing your RUIN VS BROIL situation. In the spoiler is how to easily switch between blizzard II and stoneskin in one click before a dungeon. I used Stone, Stone II, and Stone III as the example.

A better macro for a few classes is one that fills the appropriate slot when level synced, instead of macroing all of the different variations. Example: Stone, Stone II, Stone III.

If your Stone III is on hotbar 1 on slot 1. If on PC type hotbar instead of chotbar.

/chotbar action Stone 1 1
/chotbar action "Stone II" 1 1
/chotbar action "Stone III" 1 1

A Scholars Ruin and Broil, a Black Mages Thunder II and Thunder III, an Astrologians Malefic and Malefic II are some examples of where else this is applicable.

The /chotbar command has many uses. It even helped me easily switch Stoneskin and Blizzard II in my cross class and place it on my bar.

/Macrolock
/echo You are switching your cross class skills. The following skill will be disabled:
/recast "Stoneskin"
/recast "Blizzard II"
/aaction "Blizzard II"
/aaction "Stoneskin"
/aaction "Blizzard II" on
/chotbar action "Stoneskin" 1 1
/chotbar action "Blizzard II" 1 1
/echo Your current cross class has been changed to the following:
/recast "Stoneskin"
/recast "Blizzard II"

Honestly, it all comes down to what feels fluid. If you don't feel hindered by your limitations at any point, you have a successful setup.

[FoxyAreku]

My summon macro for both pets includes OBEY. I actually have to manually switch them back for sic for the random low level dungeon where it's almost pointness to try to control her and you can just DPS the whole thing.

Still not clear how a priority macro causes lag when I can't visibly see it. If anything it would lag Ruin 1 in capped content since the priority falls on Broil, which would only be capped content anyhow. I spose I can take a timer, spam it for 60 seconds with and without and see for myself.

Again, I suppose I have a hard time seeing myself "wasting Aetherflow" in this manner.

Perhaps I should have stated up front. I main Warrior. I have no interest in Maining Scholar. Frankly speaking.. I'm trying to make Scholar tolerable, as having more than 32 buttons is INtolerable to me. I don't hate the job because if has 3-4 action bars worth of abilities.... I hate PLAYING the job with that many action bars. So My object was to create a solution that makes this job fun for me to play in contrast to WHM which doesn't have these issues.

So my intention is to do fairly casual content, and try to make this job enjoyable for me, the dumb Roe who raids with an AXE and likes fewer buttons. :P

At any rate, sounds like in summary, the Scholar Purists are in agreement that anything other than having each button individually accessible is blasphemy, and if you can't handle 64 buttons, then GTFO. Sound bout right? :P

Fair enough, but I must say I don't quite understand the complaint of too many buttons. Obviously you have pets to manage, but if you don't include pet hotbars, scholar only has 2 or 3 more abilities than warrior does, and those are ones you don't even use that often (protect, summon 1, summon 2, are good examples. You'll use these once or twice per instance/fight tbh).

But yeah if you're not planning on being serious with scholar, do whatever works for you. My post was under the assumption that you were wanting to raid with it.

[Steady]

Was more trying to understand the objection to what I was doing. Evidently the argument is largely about flexibility and lag. I still can't say I've seen lag, but i'll take your word on it.... as I imagine it was no different than dps Melee jobs who attempted similar feats and got the same arguement against... namely monk. But considering casters in general move slower than Monks, it seemed quite a bit more negligible.

I'm used to having two action bars and toggling between. The Pet bar would make one of the two bars hidden and force purposeful bar switching, which I really disliked. So it felt super clunky going from DPS action bar to Healing Action bar, because i'd hafta toggle by holding down a button and pressing a direction or button for bar 1 or 2. I play on Joystick, which is why more than 32 buttons, especially the pet bar.. is tedious.

[ckc22]

Dissipation has been one of the best raiding tools for scholar since gordias. You may want to re-evaluate.

It's a healing CD best used as a DPS boost...

[Steady]

Appreciate the alternate macro idea. I hadn't really considered spamming Embrace while dpsing... though I do recall back in 2.0 folks linking Embrace to their DPS abilities... I think that was pretty much when I stopped playing the job out of irritation. But like i said, I main warrior, and my 2nd job is Monk... neither have much in the way of macros... aside from some ability swaps paired with stance dancing... and they happen within the cycle of a GCD. Obviously Scholar and Warrior.. but like i said.. trying to breath life into jobs I had avoided due to button heavyness. Hell I can't even enjoy DRK for the same reason lol. Thanks for the advice, even if I don't follow it all.

[FoxyAreku]

Being able to queue up abilities is something a lot of people take for granted. Macros removal of that ability is a serious dampening on your potential dps and hps.

Here's an idea for you related to that, maybe just straight up remove Ruin 1, and just use Ruin 2 in level synced content. No one will even notice, and it'll be a lot more helpful than having Broil macro'd, and will still free up a spot for other things.

Only issue is if you go to something so low that you don't even have ruin 2, but at that point you can probably just take the few seconds to grab it out of your action screen.

[Judge_Xero]

Macros etc aside is it even possible to play SCH optimally on anything other than keyboard and mouse?

[Rawrz]

Macros etc aside is it even possible to play SCH optimally on anything other than keyboard and mouse?

I think i do just fine on a ps4.

It's a healing CD best used as a DPS boost...

It's Mana burst. It's DPS burst. It's Healing burst. It's utility is as flexible as Aetherflow.

[Dzian]

It's Mana burst. It's DPS burst. It's Healing burst. It's utility is as flexible as Aetherflow.

Dissipation is really naff. It's not really a mana burst at all as typically Any mana you would typically gain from it only ends up going on the cost of summoning your fairy.

I've never found it any good as a dps gain either, as the lack of fairy only increases the amount of healing I have to do which then reduces my time spent in cleric stance and has an overall negative effect on my potential dps.

it's not really a healing buff either as the 20% potency does not affect lustrates or indomnibles, and generically if you need aether stacks in a pinch its because you need these skills. and if you need those skills that badly its fairly safe to say you're quite fooooked for mp which means losing the fairys heals is likely to cripple you even more. not to mention the expensive mp cost to summon it back.

on the whole it's naff.

[Kamui_Argent]

Macros etc aside is it even possible to play SCH optimally on anything other than keyboard and mouse?

I main a SCH playing with a gamepad and it comes down to how your reflexes are and how familiar you are with your setup. I admit we lose mousoever macros but the fairy is pretty good at choosing its target most of the time and once you get used to selecting people from the party list I barely notice any performance issues when comparing myself to other SCH. I've been with other SCH who swear up and down by their mouseover macros and how SCH is impossible to play on gamepad and even when solo-healing, it all comes down to how fast you can react and how aware you are of the fight. I'm not the best SCH, heck I consider myself fairly ok, currently in A10S enrage, but I'd like to say that SCH is fine with gamepad and just use the setup that's comfortable for you and allows you to maximize your performance to the best of your capabilities.