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    Can you elaborate on what the complaints are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SessionZero View Post
    Can you elaborate on what the complaints are?
    Login just to get the weekly tomes and logout, repeat next week, that's what i've been reading, and while i don't do that Weekly Tomes are indeed frustrating.

    I know some people who quit because of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH View Post
    Login just to get the weekly tomes and logout, repeat next week, that's what i've been reading, and while i don't do that Weekly Tomes are indeed frustrating.

    I know some people who quit because of this.
    That sounds less like a complaint with the tome cap limit and more of an issue with the other content in the game. If you're only logging in to grind tomes and then logging out again without doing anything else I don't think removing any sort of caps is going to alleviate the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SessionZero View Post
    That sounds less like a complaint with the tome cap limit and more of an issue with the other content in the game.
    How so? The weekly tome limit is a cheap attempt at not making more end game content, so they lock us into 450 tomes per week so we can't grind, even if we get pieces from Savage we're still limited there, along with the Tomestone gear that's needed for BiS.

    All of this to be useless in 6 months, repeat.

    Quote Originally Posted by SessionZero View Post
    If you're only logging in to grind tomes and then logging out again without doing anything else I don't think removing any sort of caps is going to alleviate the issue.
    Where did i mention I login to just do tomes? I said i've seen people saying that and can even provide links to that, can no one on this forum learn to read things right for once? Jesus Christ.

    Quote Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn View Post
    I hope they continue to have weekly caps. Otherwise you would grind to get your gear in the first week and be done with it.
    I guess you never played an Horizontal progression game then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH View Post
    How so? The weekly tome limit is a cheap attempt at not making more end game content, so they lock us into 450 tomes per week so we can't grind, even if we get pieces from Savage we're still limited there, along with the Tomestone gear that's needed for BiS.
    He means that you'd be doing the exact same thing anyway, and likely complain about how watered down the experience is because you're doing the same old same old. Burn out is real, especially with the ignorance that plagues most teens and adults these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH View Post
    I guess you never played an Horizontal progression game then.
    Horizontal progression is often plagued by RNG gods, significantly more than it is here. I have a feeling that most players are not willing to go back to it or experience that at all. They're also often centered around some means to spawn or play the long waiting game to get a chance at that gear (waiting for mob spawn following ToD or waiting for raid reset).

    Also keep in mind that this game is not tailored to horizontal progression, so that statement you replied to about the tomes is actually applicable. It's about what is, rather than what could be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Horizontal progression is often plagued by RNG gods, significantly more than it is here.
    Depends on the game, but generally speaking yes there's more RNG for a simple reasons: gear sets.

    If people don't like grind then they don't like horizontal progression at all, but let's be honest, a lot of people complain they don't like to grind, yet i see those people grinding the relic and events like Yokai.

    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    Lifting it is not going to magically give them the resources to develop more content per patch. that's a cause and effect not based in reality.
    They got a much bigger budget this time than they did with HW, can't wait to see more of the same. (^^,)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH View Post
    They got a much bigger budget this time than they did with HW, can't wait to see more of the same. (^^,)
    More money is also not a magical power that makes all the impossible possible, or makes what YOU want just happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH View Post
    How so? The weekly tome limit is a cheap attempt at not making more end game content
    Lifting it is not going to magically give them the resources to develop more content per patch. that's a cause and effect not based in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH View Post
    How so? The weekly tome limit is a cheap attempt at not making more end game content, so they lock us into 450 tomes per week so we can't grind, even if we get pieces from Savage we're still limited there, along with the Tomestone gear that's needed for BiS.
    Weekly tomes don't limit endgame content, only the speed to get a full tome set.
    Removing the weekly limit will call another way to limit the speed (like tome as random reward).
    Also tome gears is not always BiS gear.

    So, what is your alternative way to limit the speed of getting a full set?
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    Last edited by Felis; 10-29-2016 at 08:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Weekly tomes don't limit endgame content, only the speed to get a full tome set.
    Removing the weekly limit will call another way to limit the speed (like tome as random reward).

    So, what is your alternative way to limit the speed of getting a full set?
    Add a second Raid, so we would have two.

    Want the better gear? Do Raids.

    "Oh but i don't raid" excuses inc, irrelevant, Crafted gear and old i240 more than enough for anyone to even Clear normal Alex, so they don't need i270 to begin with.
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