Rage over Sophia

[Ilan]

You're what, i235 with those xelph right side pieces? You bought head slot first?? Stop making your healers' lives miserable

Stop acting as if the 2 pieces of Ilvl 225 on the right side would make the healers live miserabel. This is absolutly not true.

OP: You should have around 690 accuracy for that fight and maybe a buff food that gives you a bit accuracy (for the times without tank stance).

[Pondera]

So, as compared with Sophia extreme, how do the Savage raids stack up? Should I just be happy with getting her to farming status? I've been doing SOMEWHAT better in my attempts. My last group got her down to 8% before she enraged and instantly murdered us all.

I mean, there's been hintings in this thread about how much harder Savages are than extreme trials. Do I really wanna know or just go and level my arcanist or something?

[Akonyl]

The thing to keep in mind about EX primals is that they are largely nothing more than a dance. A few are light exceptions, but for better or worse it just comes down to route memorization. The reason I think most people say that Sophia EX is so far the easiest on release, is that a run is still salvageable even a few people fail mechanics. Take that in comparison to Sephirot EX where, while the amount of memorization is roughly the same (imo), one or two people missing the ball often results in a wipe.

I think Seph would've been largely easier than Sophia if the boss was nice enough to teleport corpses back to the platform like Sophia does. Half the pain of Seph was someone messing up the knockback dance and falling off, and just being gone for the rest of the fight.

The actual mechanics in Sophia take a little more thinking to get done correctly imo.

[Akonyl]

So, as compared with Sophia extreme, how do the Savage raids stack up? Should I just be happy with getting her to farming status? I've been doing SOMEWHAT better in my attempts. My last group got her down to 8% before she enraged and instantly murdered us all.

I mean, there's been hintings in this thread about how much harder Savages are than extreme trials. Do I really wanna know or just go and level my arcanist or something?

A9S might be equivalent to Sophia in difficulty, but starting at A10S I'd say it's harder than Sophia. This raid tier's also a lot more forgiving than the previous Alexander savages.

[DreamAngel-Ren]

As people have said, this fight is generally considered quite simple. I can see why you find it difficult since it's your first extreme primal, but you seriously only need time to get more used to mechanic heavy fights and I'm sure you'll be more comfortable and enthusiastic.

This right here I agree. I had that mentality when I tried my first extreme fight; I was like, "HOLY HYDAELYN, this sh*t is hard as f***"; however after practicing, gaining experience, and with a little help from watching video guides, I finally beat them and it's ezpz from that point. YOU GOT THIS! Just pray you get into a good group that knows the fight - meaning tanks know how to tank, healers know how to heal, and dps know how to hit and the entire team knows how to dodge (oh and you gotta have strong gear too.)

[Fevelle]

So, as compared with Sophia extreme, how do the Savage raids stack up? Should I just be happy with getting her to farming status? I've been doing SOMEWHAT better in my attempts. My last group got her down to 8% before she enraged and instantly murdered us all.

I mean, there's been hintings in this thread about how much harder Savages are than extreme trials. Do I really wanna know or just go and level my arcanist or something?

I don't know about Savages, but Extremes for me are like this (from hardest to easiest, judging with min ilv):

Thordan >>>>> Niddhogg > Sophia = Sephirot = Ravana > Bismarck.

[Asuras]

When it comes to the mechanics, Sophia Ex has pretty much all the tricky ones... Huge tank busters, risk of falling off the edge (along with mechanics that can push you off), coordinating with teammates (colored circles)...

However, what makes the fight easy is just how forgiving it is. Even if you fall off the edge, you can be raised. A few people derping won't typically wipe you as the enrage timer is pretty lenient. Even if a tank dies to a tank buster, it's usually not the end of world. I've had tanks fail several tank swaps and we would still clear. I've had people derping the whole fight and we would still clear.

[FinaSel]

So, as compared with Sophia extreme, how do the Savage raids stack up? Should I just be happy with getting her to farming status? I've been doing SOMEWHAT better in my attempts. My last group got her down to 8% before she enraged and instantly murdered us all.

I mean, there's been hintings in this thread about how much harder Savages are than extreme trials. Do I really wanna know or just go and level my arcanist or something?

As someone else said, Sophia's difficulty is somewhat similar to A9S.


But the movement and mechanics are so different, it is necessary to memorize and get used to A9S mechanics too. It might take a while. The movement is not too difficult.

Just a guess, but it feels like A9S requires much higher DPS. Sophia's DPS check is not so hard. (Only seen out of time maybe twice?)
A9S requires important tank positioning. Go to the wrong area and you will kill everyone.

A10S is more challenging, because there are many mechanics. Timing and positioning are very important.
However, with practicing with the same group for a few hours, I cleared it quickly. We started as all first-timers and just kept going at it. And eventually we cleared it together.

A11S is an entirely different level (IL requirement increases from 250 to 255).
The DPS check is severe. Tank positioning is important at only a few moments. Healers need to begin casting their heals before the boss uses room-wide AoE. Anticipating all attacks is essential.

As a comparison, I cleared A9S and A10S in just a few days. A11S took me about 3 weeks of going every day. I finally cleared it last night.

[StrategistShiroe]

It sounds like your OT wasn't pulling threat after the buster and you got that heavy auto attack due to Thunder resistance down 2.

[Pondera]

It sounds like your OT wasn't pulling threat after the buster and you got that heavy auto attack due to Thunder resistance down 2.

It is very odd. Sometimes, the tank buster is entirely survivable with no debuffs and the use of 2 CDs. Other times, it instantly makes the targeted tank take a dirt nap. I'm gonna guess critical hit?

Also, update on my quest. I've burned through 3 more groups trying to get the clear. Again, I'm usually the last one alive, provided I don't accidentally get the wrong side of the platform (happens sometimes). So... the people calling this easy? I'm gonna wager that at least 21 other people disagree. *sigh* I'm starting to feel like this clear might just be out of my reach.