What if, healers are not healers?

[Rennies]

What do you mean, same damage dealing potential? White Mage and Astrologian both contribute as much as, or more than Scholar, through heavy AoE damage and cards.

I really don't understand what you mean.

[Feyona]

What do you mean, same damage dealing potential? White Mage and Astrologian both contribute as much as, or more than Scholar, through heavy AoE damage and cards.

I really don't understand what you mean.

Scholars more than any other healing class are always expected to be the dps/healer. I am told that this is not because the other two classes are better healers, but because scholar has better damage dealing potential because of the dots left on target while the pet can heal. what other reasons why scholar is never considered a main healerI this may be because the heals themselves appear weak, combined with shied though it makes their healing just as effective as wmg.With indom/emergeny tactic/succur sch can do big aoes potentially every 15 sec on top of the normal non cd heals.Not to mention the other damage reducing buffslike adlo spread, eye for an eye and sacred soil. Just am told scholar is better dps. Its not my fault reddit thinks so.

[DotsNnots]

but because scholar has better damage dealing potential because of the dots left on target while the pet can heal. what other reasons why scholar is never considered a main healerI this may be because the heals themselves appear weak, combined with shied though it makes their healing just as effective as wmg.

This is entirely my personal opinion, but I think a lot of this expectation is grounded in 2.0 compositions. With a WHM and a SCH it was easier for the SCH to let the fairy provide the supporting heals while the sch DPS's, because hey, there's an AI doing the healing for you. There wasn't a third healer dynamic to make the composition be reevaluated. Both SCH's and WHM's have really useful tools in their kit, however, and I absolutely agree you could swap the identities, have the WHM be the "supporting/off" heals and the scholar "main" it, but people see the AI and go, well, AI.

That said (again my opinion) I've always felt like the extra stance dancing a WHM has to do to keep regens up (if you consider the HoT's the supporting heals in the same role as the fairy for a WHM/AST comp), is offset a bit by the potency of a WHM's attacks. A white mage can do more damage than any of the other healers if they have 100% up time on cleric stance (not counting mp limitations). But because they have to stance dance more often to provide the supporting heals (regen, medica 2, asylum, etc), because there's no AI, their damage could potentially average out to be the same as a scholar who doesn't have to drop CS as much, but has less potency.

Astro's are caught in this place where when they're in diurnal and thus paired with a SCH, they fall into the same mold left by the WHM composition from 2.0 (despite having a 5% GCD speed increase). And when they're in nocturnal with a WHM, they lose their supporting heal options, and gain a healing potency, that also ends up pegging them as the more "main" healer. It also helps that their big DoT is up longer, so it doesn't have to be refreshed as often.

[Normalizer]

Scholars more than any other healing class are always expected to be the dps/healer. I am told that this is not because the other two classes are better healers, but because scholar has better damage dealing potential because of the dots left on target while the pet can heal...

I regrettably have to inform you that among all healers SCH has the worst DPS potency spells. Even Aero from WHM which they don't even use it all time (only with combine with fluid aura or when have to move or oGCD) becomes a valuable Dot for SCH which the SCH should keep it on boss near 100% uptime together with all their other DOTs. Beside even when you go as WHM/AST the main healer should dps too. It's wrong to think only the off-heal have to dps. Two healer should balance their heal/dps time.

The reason why people tell you SCH is a dps healer, is not because of their "better" dps tool or weaker heal (have SCH ever considered weak? ), but because SCH is BUILT for dps while healing/mitigating/supporting. You as SCH:
- have more potential instant heal skills than whm/ast: Lustrate/Indom (which you can turn off cleric and cast them immediately),
- can cast embrace/whispering down and other pet skills while in cleric,
- can put out sacred soil, virus, E4E, all while in cleric.
Those reasons make it perfectly for SCH to stay in cleric and doing most of their jobs. Heck, only physick, adlo, succor require you to stay out of cleric stance to cast them. Then tell me, why do you want to stay out of cleric stance all the time on SCH while more than half of your "healing" kit do not require you to?

If you think SCH should heal only and stay away from cleric cause you have so many amazing spells like you listed, then, you are playing sch wrong :|

[Feyona]

I regrettably have to inform you that among all healers SCH has the worst DPS potency spells

The reason why people tell you SCH is a dps healer, is not because of their "better" dps tool or weaker heal (have SCH ever considered weak? ), but because SCH is BUILT for dps while healing/mitigating/supporting.

If you think SCH should heal only and stay away from cleric cause you have so many amazing spells like you listed, then, you are playing sch wrong :|

This really is not my opinion it the reason I have been given. Plus if I have been playing scholar 'wrong' then I've made a damn good job of healing with it so far. Its only people's opinions really Also I really do have those healing spells, and I can actually just heal very effectively. That is actually my preferred way of playing, I would like to be able to choose thats all.

[Gemina]

This really is not my opinion it the reason I have been given. Plus if I have been playing scholar 'wrong' then I've made a damn good job of healing with it so far. Its only people's opinions really Also I really do have those healing spells, and I can actually just heal very effectively. That is actually my preferred way of playing, I would like to be able to choose thats all.

The thing about SCH, is the job branches from Arcanist, which is a DPS class. It goes into what Normalizer is talking about with how the class/job is built. CNJ as it levels to 30 continues to get more utility towards healing with little focus on offensive magicks. Arcanist as it levels to 30 is LOADED with offensive spells.

Upon receiving your SCH soulstone, even if I take away the fact that your fairy can take care of a great portion of the healing required, the utility SCH brings on their own still heavily favors that of DPS. Your fairy skills have their own CDs, so it is not a matter of having to choose between your SCH tool kit, and your fairy tool kit. Add to that, that for anything other than Physick casts, you literally hop in and out of Cleric to cast those abilities (over time it becomes muscle memory to do so), and it just comes out to having a MASSIVE window to DPS.

The title of this thread, though it compartmentalizes all healers, I feel is better directed right at SCH. It truly is a DPS/healer while WHM and AST would be Healer/DPS. I by no means take anything away from SCH as healers. I consider them to be the best "oh shit!" healers in the game because all of their 'oh-shit' abilities are instant, and only limited to aetherflow stacks and relatively short cool downs. So I just encourage you to remember that in every instance you go in as SCH, your ARC abilities comprise 60-85% of your entire tool kit depending on your level. I also encourage the 'ABC' rule (always be casting) while avoiding over healing.