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    What would happen to a person who is tempered by MULTIPLE primals?

    What do you guys think would happen? I don't mean the beast tribes, I mean one of the spoken races.

    Would being tempered by one element affliation, and then being tempered by the opposing element have an antagonistic effect?
    By antagonistic, I mean like would it cancel out the first tempering with itself. Kind of like drugs--like how narcan is antagonistic to opioids. Do you think it could reverse some of the comatose-like effect tempering has on individuals?

    Would it straight up murder a b%$#?
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    I think a person can only be tempered by one owner once it happens. iirc, garuda or ifrit talks about a person being "claimed". their first guess when seeing echo nullify their tempering is that the player character has already been tempered by another.
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    It wouldn't be possible - a mortal can only be bound to one Primal only - this is similar to those with the Echo being immune to tempering. After all, on numerous occasions when the player has been exposed to tempering, the Primal responds incredulously that "your soul already belongs to another?!" In much the same way, a thrall of one Primal cannot be claimed by another, their will is bound to the one who already claimed them and cancels out any other Primal's attempt to temper them to their side.

    Also it seems there is no difference between a beastman being tempered and a member of the Spoken races, the game treats both in the same manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    I think a person can only be tempered by one owner once it happens.
    Do we have anything on that in the lorebook o.o? I only got a paraphrase from a FCmate that tempering works by pushing the primals aether into the person and from that, it seems well possible that multiple primals could fight over it. But it would also make tempering without the primals presence a non-possibility and seeing as I don't have the book myself... /huh.
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    During the 1.0 quest where you encounter Ifrit, he quite explicitly implies that you're "tempered" by a different primal when he can't temper you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Do we have anything on that in the lorebook o.o? I only got a paraphrase from a FCmate that tempering works by pushing the primals aether into the person and from that, it seems well possible that multiple primals could fight over it. But it would also make tempering without the primals presence a non-possibility and seeing as I don't have the book myself... /huh.
    Not from the lorebook, but from Ifrit during your first encounter with him:
    Forsooth, thy frail mortal frame can serve as vessel to the blessing of but One.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mholito View Post
    Not from the lorebook, but from Ifrit during your first encounter with him:
    Well, the thing is that SE kinda established that NPCs cannot be trusted to say the truth, but rather what they "think" is the truth. Hence, I prefer to understand how things work, make logical conclusions based on those workings and roll with that than accept what an NPC tells me.

    But in the end, it might just be one of those fantasy rules that just "are" and I'm running against a wall with that approach. That can happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Do we have anything on that in the lorebook o.o?
    I've not found anything echoing what the game says in the book yet (and I don't expect to find anything that would contradict it), but the paraphrase is essentially correct, that they "project their own internal aether upon other weak-minded beings, corrupting their hearts and minds, effectively creating obedient followers."

    Much like how we learned in-game that the aether of the Primals corrupts it in such a way that it doesn't really flow back to the source, I'd imagine it's a similar concept here - the idea being that the aether of Primals can no longer interact properly with the aether of Hydaelyn, and aether of Primals put inside other beings changes their aether to exhibit similar properties, preventing interaction with other forms of aether (in this case, from other Primals).

    So far the only "multiple exposures" information I've found relates to how it can degrade the mind and transform the body following repeated exposure to aether from the same Primal - the Drowned from Leviathan, as we've seen, and very much lacking in proof claims of Touched Sylphs with extended beards.
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    I completely forgot about the ifrit tidbit, thanks for answering my wonderings
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    Hasn't there been talk going around that people with the Echo are basically tempered by Hydaelyn herself? Hence why they can't be tempered by other primals? Sounds like we need for Ethys and Anymoose to come to our rescue! T^T
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