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    Already speculated upon in-game, funnily enough, albeit referring to the Grand Melee rather than anything more world-shaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thancred
    I cannot help but wonder what would have happened had you lost... Fantastical though such a state of affairs unquestionably is. I daresay the world would simply have ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    (Kinda makes you wonder if restoring it is really such a good idea, but I've been thinking that the entire time.)
    The Garleans would love to restore the Allagan Empire, Crystal Tower included. That alone should tell you it's a terrible idea. When have the Garleans ever had a GOOD idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    The Garleans would love to restore the Allagan Empire, Crystal Tower included. That alone should tell you it's a terrible idea. When have the Garleans ever had a GOOD idea?
    I should point out two factors:

    The first is the rampant Luddism that sprang up after Allag's fall. Causing everyone to go on a technology destroying rampage and much history to be lost (the Abundance of Tomestones are of debatable canoncity), and as I mentioned before those that do not know History are doomed to repeat it. All Garlemald might "know" is that Allag was a technocratic utopia and they they also were able to fell primals without the need for Warriors of Light.

    Meanwhile consider who on Eorzea led the expedition and restoration of the Tower, the Sons of Saint Coinach, a group as Sharayan scholars who mad The Third Astral Era (Allag) their focus of study. And thought that we know that Xande made a covenant with a very powerful Voidsent.

    At the same time out trip though Azys Lla has given us a more in depth look at just how complacent Allag was prior to their fall.

    On a final note the reason why anyone would want to Study Allag in the first place, compare their technology to that of Eorzea. For an empire of the distant past they sure seem far more technologically advanced. Garlemald might had been the first to try to use their tech to advance its own, but I think other people want to attempt that as well (As explained by Rowena's business. There are few reasons why anyone would want what are USB drives that they can't read, but we don;t know if they can read it. Chances are Garlemald, the Ironworks, The Sons and Whoever can get the other two parties to decipher their data are Rowena's likely patrons on that front).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinMalvin View Post

    While we've seen that WoL isn't without flaws, most people only know us as invincible hero, even those close to us sometimes forget how we're just as mortal as they are. Should we be killed, it'll serve as cruel reminder to the people that'll shock them to the core. Urianger knows this, that's why he convinced WoD to kill us, to sow terror in people's heart even greater than any calamity could hope to achieve.
    Well, they certainly went about it the wrong way. Maybe if they had spiked our drinks with a sleeping drug instead... :^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
    The first is the rampant Luddism that sprang up after Allag's fall. Causing everyone to go on a technology destroying rampage and much history to be lost (the Abundance of Tomestones are of debatable canoncity), and as I mentioned before those that do not know History are doomed to repeat it. All Garlemald might "know" is that Allag was a technocratic utopia and they they also were able to fell primals without the need for Warriors of Light.
    Unfortunately, we don't actually know how much Garlemald knows. The nodes of Azys Lla may joke about their technology, but the fact remains that Nael van Darnus raised the Rivenroad using knowledge passed down in "his" family, and that knowledge didn't come form nowhere. Even the Bozja Citadel, while woefully incomplete, was still functional enough to give Bahamut opportunity to temper Midas nan Garlond.

    And then there's Nero, who got the Ultima Weapon working, which ate three full-power primals in one sitting and would have even killed us without literal divine intervention. I'd say Garlemald is doing pretty alright on the "understanding Allagan tech" front. At the very least, better than Cid would give them credit for.

    Either way, the mistakes of history are far more nuanced than "advanced technology == bad," and not every action taken for the benefit of all mankind is in mankind's best interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Either way, the mistakes of history are far more nuanced than "advanced technology == bad," and not every action taken for the benefit of all mankind is in mankind's best interest.
    I know that. And I didn't mean to give off that implication. In fact I was trying to say that the destrction of Allagan tech make it far easier to make the same mistake they did.

    The Latter point can easily be exemplified by Elidibus for all we know of his plans. Or Garlemald and their solutions to the Primal threat.
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