Should Cleric Stance be disabled in party instances?

[Feyona]

I have 35 spells, thereabouts, as a pro scholar I am meant to use all of them. Ok right? This is my toolkit. Ive even cross classed blizzrd 2. How many other classes have to use 35 skills just because they are in their toolkit? The crtizisms I got from analysis of my parse were oh u didnt use this spell or that spell often enough etc Where do you guys get the time to use 35 spells all the time between cs and non cs? Unless the other healer solo heals Im just overwhelmed by everything Im supposed to do. I practiced with a friend in a9n he solo healed while I did it but I still had to heal now and then ( not everyone can solo heal it btw)

[Taika]

I have 35 spells, thereabouts, as a pro scholar I am meant to use all of them. Ok right? This is my toolkit. Ive even cross classed blizzrd 2. How many other classes have to use 35 skills just because they are in their toolkit?

It's not that different for other jobs, actually. On my last A10S kill, I used 30 different abilities while our DRG used 26 abilities and our WAR 28 abilities. Of course SCH and SMN use more abilities because they are also controlling their pets, but those pet abilities can also be used while casting something else. Also the number of spells you have doesn't really affect how busy you are, since you're still limited by the GCD and the OCDs you can fit between those. Jobs with pets and many OCD abilities just work a bit faster (= are a bit busier) than others.

It really is a useful tool to check the amount of abilities you are using in a certain fight compared to other Scholars and also the amount of casts you can fit in the fight (and your activity %) combined with your overheal %. For example, in A9S you're not using Eye for an Eye or Deployment Tactics which are extremely useful abilities in preventing your tank and other party members from taking damage. Learning to use these abilities to your benefit will offer you much more opportunities to do DPS. In most cases your opportunities for DPS follow from your own actions, not from the skill of your group members.

[Feyona]

It really is a useful tool to check the amount of abilities you are using in a certain fight compared to other Scholars and also the amount of casts you can fit in the fight (and your activity %) combined with your overheal %. For example, in A9S you're not using Eye for an Eye or Deployment Tactics which are extremely useful abilities in preventing your tank and other party members from taking damage. Learning to use these abilities to your benefit will offer you much more opportunities to do DPS. In most cases your opportunities for DPS follow from your own actions, not from the skill of your group members.[/QUOTE] Surely its a2 way thing or does the healer carry the group and make up for badly playing dps as well? Such alot for one party member.

[Taika]

Surely its a2 way thing or does the healer carry the group and make up for badly playing dps as well? Such alot for one party member.

Healer's job is not to carry the group or make up for the mistakes or underperforming of others. Healer's job is to do their own part to play as effectively and be as useful as possible for their group in each situation. The job is the same for each party member, the way to do it is just different for each job.

Everyone should be using everything at their disposal, including healer dps, to make the fight go as smoothly and as quickly as possible.

Everyone has the same responsibility to learn a fight - dps to know how to plan their rotations around boss jumps and other mechs, tanks to know when they need to be in tank stance and appropriate CDs for when the big hits are coming, and similarly heals to know when to dps and when they'll need to be full healing. heals don't have it hareder than anyone else, everyone needs to know the fight equally

Exactly this.

[Feyona]

Healer's job is not to carry the group or make up for the mistakes or underperforming of others. Healer's job is to do their own part to play as effectively and be as useful as possible for their group in each situation. The job is the same for each party member, the way to do it is just different for each job.


Exactly this.

Agree entirely, except thatscholar has much more they are expected to do. Plus an amount of pressure to stance dance while trying to keep people alive. Party dies if scholar makes mistake with cs not true of underperforming dps.

[Taika]

Agree entirely, except thatscholar has much more they are expected to do. Plus an amount of pressure to stance dance while trying to keep people alive. Party dies if scholar makes mistake with cs not true of underperforming dps.

Party also dies if DDs don't manage to beat DPS check requirements (for example individual DPS checks in the first phase of A8S) or if they mess up movement or mechanics in the way that cause the rest of the group to die (this was very strongly present in A3S, for example). All roles have a lot responsibility.

[Cynfael]

Agree entirely, except thatscholar has much more they are expected to do. Plus an amount of pressure to stance dance while trying to keep people alive. Party dies if scholar makes mistake with cs not true of underperforming dps.

This is a little dramatic, no? If parties are dying simply because their healer (especially SCH) misjudged their CS timing or fat-fingered the icon, something else is very wrong.

I literally can't remember the last time my use of CS caused anyone to die. If the healer is at least "average", virtually all player deaths will be the result of severe player error like DPS standing in cleaving tankbusters or in overlapping AoEs (i.e. things that can take players instantly from 100 to 0).

[Feyona]

This is a little dramatic, no? If parties are dying simply because their healer (especially SCH) misjudged their CS timing or fat-fingered the icon, something else is very wrong.

I literally can't remember the last time my use of CS caused anyone to die. If the healer is at least "average", virtually all player deaths will be the result of severe player error like DPS standing in cleaving tankbusters or in overlapping AoEs (i.e. things that can take players instantly from 100 to 0).

This is true because the other healer ( or main healer) is meant to potentially be able to handle this but sometimes are in trouble, making it necessary to quickly drop out cs anh hopefully heal in time. On top of this the thing sometimes gliches. My experiences of handling cs in current content is not an enjpyable one