Thread: Making Jobs Rotationally Easier in 4.0

well this is from the last yoshida interview.

Even when you fight alone, there are almost no ocassions where feather foot changes your fate of living or dying. Of course there will be people who say "But i use it when i solo! Don't take away a characteristic from our job", but if we add more actions/abilities, these kinds of actions will get removed from players' hotbars anyway. So we will delete and add new actions instead or leave the name of the action and change what it does to give it more meaning. Another example is the warrior's wrath and abandon stacks where they will both be united to one gauge called "Origin（原初)" (Note: the name of this new stack will be totally different in the En version because most of the names of the warrior moves in the japanese client share the word "origin". For example, inner beast is Soul of the origin(原初の魂）, Raw intuiition is Instinct of the origin (原初の直感) and the LB3 for warrior is Land of the origin(原初の大地) and that's why Yoshida called the new stack for both stances "origin(原初) stacks " ). Warriors will manage this new gauge for both stances and decide what to use each of them on.

On additional skills, there isn't much but considering how tank stances will work with the adjustment that will come in the future. Yoshida is still thinking of how to address the problems of stance switching on additional skills right now. However the adjustments does not influence nor change the battle content itself, as they are created through formula calculations, and other factors. Not all skills from the specific roles itself will be shared as some skills that are job specific only will still exist. (EDIT: The fuck did I misread it as "shaping the outcome of the battle itself...")

complete here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ida_after_nas/

The interview pretty much makes it clear that the skill cap should be the same or close to it. So whatever adjustments SE makes, they should fall on somewhat the same page which just screams "git gud" to me, unless if of course they change their minds suddenly.

"-Some of the Devs have suggested a "Hall of the Intermediate" that goes over basic skill rotations and such, fit for people going to EX primals. At first Yoshida was thinking no, because it would be telling players "If you're not good, its bad" but recently he's warmed up to the idea a little bit."

This caught my eye. more "git gud". Overall I would expect more people feeling frustrated and start to get more invested on being better players which is the best scenario IMO.

Originally Posted by shao32

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Just makes you wonder: why they didn't include Wrath stacks as a Warrior level 30 trait in the first place if they ultimately wanted shared stacks with or without Defiance and without any added identity in the form of a second stance, and why they think it'd simplify anything to call the two stack forms by the same name; if anything it just reduces one indicator of which stack you're in.

Still not sure what influence stance switching would have on additional skills, at least as they are now. What would it matter if you Featherfoot, Awareness, etc., in Deliverance instead of Defiance, directly speaking?

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Still not sure what influence stance switching would have on additional skills, at least as they are now. What would it matter if you Featherfoot, Awareness, etc., in Deliverance instead of Defiance, directly speaking?

Something that was left out of shao32's quote of the interview is that they are going to add UI elements that make it easier to track various "core" abilities.

The one example was the Monk having 3 orbs somewhere on the screen to represent Greased Lightning. Another was a UI element that would show when Darkside was active.

It is full likely that each tank will have a UI element that tell the player which stance (if any) they are currently in and other UI element actions to help track things like "Origin" (Wrath/Abandon) stacks without having to look at a small buff marker.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Off-topic: "Origin"? Really? I mean, at least it's not bastardized German or English this time, but... what is the lore to that?

Taken from the reddit post:

Note: the name of this new stack will be totally different in the En version because most of the names of the warrior moves in the japanese client share the word "origin". For example, inner beast is Soul of the origin(原初の魂）, Raw intuiition is Instinct of the origin (原初の直感) and the LB3 for warrior is Land of the origin(原初の大地) and that's why Yoshida called the new stack for both stances "origin(原初) stacks "

For reference, the phrase "Additional Skills" is used throughout the text to denote "Cross-Class" skills. This article is a literal translation, so be careful to read everything in context.

well some say they go to remove parry and acc, so unify wrath stacks in to one type looks like they go to to that on parry at least, or make it a stat you alwais have in the gear, the other question about WARs in that change is ¿they go to let WARs do inner beast and steel ciclone out of defiance or its just "meh crit bonus on both stances"?

i just quote the tank references there, the UI elements looks nice, ¿meaby dark flames around my hotbars? i really love that, but i hope in 4.0 whe get a proper darside effect on out fellow dark walkers ;p

pd; the note about the "origin" name is on the quote too, please read carefully ^^

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Taken from the reddit post:
Note: the name of this new stack will be totally different in the En version because most of the names of the warrior moves in the japanese client share the word "origin". For example, inner beast is Soul of the origin(原初の魂）, Raw intuiition is Instinct of the origin (原初の直感) and the LB3 for warrior is Land of the origin(原初の大地) and that's why Yoshida called the new stack for both stances "origin(原初) stacks"

I'm aware of that bit — shao included that part — I was just wondering what possible lore existed by which Warriors would be interested in this idea of the "origin". They're not exactly scholars of creation, nor marking trajectories. Instinct, 直感 / 本能, are about the only connections I can think of to what might have some relation to 原初. E.g. None among 原初の魂 (Beast of the origin) 原初の大地 (land of the origin) nor 原初の直感 (instinct of the origin) make any sense to me. What "origin"? The names smack of some Eureka primordial world or Warrior of Time Travel element that I don't remember seeing in the Warrior questline. I'm replaying through their cutscenes in Japanese now, but it still seems a really weird word choice, unless I'm just deriving a horribly wrong connotative meaning of 原初.

I think it is mostly translation of the interview that is causing the confusion for you. I suspect that the intended meaning of 原初 is closer to Primeval (adjective; of or relating to the first age or ages, especially of the world) or Primitive which would imply a "Wild Man." 原初 breaks down into 原(original) 初(first) and the translation software that was used translation it as Origin instead of the intended meaning of Primeval/Primitive.

So the abilities would more correctly be 原初の魂 (Beast of the Primitive/Primeval/Wild (Man)) 原初の大地 (Land of the Primitive/Primeval/Wild (Man)) nor 原初の直感 (Instinct of the Primitive/Primeval/Wild (Man))