Thread: Making Jobs Rotationally Easier in 4.0

it is getting on my nerves already calling parse value DPS is not correct its average damage over encounter time. Not Damage per second.
DPS ACT give u is total dmg done by person / time in combat.
Meaning:
time spent dead.
Time spend talking whit phone.
Time spent patting your cat.
Time spent ressing dead player(summoner)

For ppl who dont get it what i mean its like compareing your car Speed whit avarage speed u get from work to home.

all change that value.
DPS is dynamic number that change every second frame.

Anyway got that off my shoulders.
Tank life is not easy in that sense that there is no value to show how useful they are.
Healers have HPS Damage dealers have DPS. Tanks dont have damage mitigated per second.
I dont disagree fact that if tank push dps it will make encounter end faster meaning u wont hit enrage when your damage dealers sux. Down side is what is what u give awey is damage mitigated. Now each raid group have 2 healers if tank go off tank stance 1 healer need keep tank alive and 1 need keep party alive instead 1 healer healing and WM killing boss.

So tank stance drop in one way move dps from healer dps > to tank but. Placing much thought in it who knows who would make more dmg. i quess tank until healers accuracy BS is fixed.

What i what see is few little changed 1 thing is give our default main tanks DRK and PLD something that equals storms eye. Like blunt Resistance or magic dmg Resistance down.
Give PLD and DRK way of swapping Stances without GCD getting on way whit oGCD.
Give PLD 1 addion AOE so PLD have Similar situation whit DRK circle = Salted and new one equa abyssal.
Revalue DRK Living Dead its getting dangerous to use now that tanks hit 40k health because it is hard to heal 40k up in 10s if u dont have WM and there is party to keep alive aswell.

has nothing to do with tanking

Has nothing to do with bad tanking I guess, but then again people think that tanks would be just fine if all they did was 0 damage and generate enmity because they're content with it. Oh well.

not related to tanking at all

I mean you could think that, but I mean, then again you don't raid as a WAR so what would you know about lining up your combos for swaps appropriately, making sure that your debuff (that works, in case you never heard) is applied, making sure that you can pick up an add out of stance to burn it faster because you have a buff up... Or I could be a bad tank. That doesn't make sure that they hit their debuffs and their aggro when they should. Because they think it doesn't matter.

I guess I'll rewrite that in a way which makes more sense to you because this is sort of embarrassing.

All the fights on the game work on timers and % values of Boss HP. A cooldown rotation will always exist for tanks, and it's not a unique situation to them. Healers use the exact same healing rotations every time, dps use the same cooldown hold or use decisions every time. It's not unique to tanks. So long as you can learn a fight and implement that knowledge your cooldowns are always going to have priority and effectiveness. Once you kill a boss for the first time you have a rough idea of how your CDs will work from then on out, it's called fight knowledge. It's what separates a bad tank from an alright one, knowing when to press which button.

Not knowing when to do what comes with learning, that's when tanks will shine. But of course it's going to be easy after that... It's called not forgetting what you've learned. It's not bad fight design, it's called 'learning'.

In my opinion even if mitigating and holding aggro is very difficult that it requires you to stay tank stance 24/7, dps will always be a valid way to benchmark a tank. Regardless of how much damage you need to mitigate, there will be a point where you have mitigated enough for the healers to heal comfortably (might require higher gear), and from that point on you'll focus on improving your dps. The same holds for healers, even if at the start of progression they need to heal 24/7 without getting any chance of popping cleric stance, once they gear up and get used to the fight they'll inevitably have rooms for dpsing since the gears you get from the raid are obviously better than the gears you wore when you cleared it (unless they change the vertical progression system). As long as the fights are tuned at lower ilv than the drops they offer, there will be rooms for more focus on dpsing, since tanks get tankier and healers' healing output rise when they gear up.

Heck even staying fully in tank stance good tanks will still outdps the bad ones, so I don't really understand why you're so against people comparing tanks based on their dps output (or maybe to be more precise their group dps, since putting extra strain on healers until their dps loss outweighs your personal dps gain is detrimental to your group).

Originally Posted by aleph_null

How would you do it?

I thought of an intimidate status. The more enmity you gain the more you reduce the ennemy stats (Attack, defense, etc...) You could also have different effects tied to enmity. For example, you could "spend" enmity to infuriate a boss, increasing its damage, but forcing it to only do auto-attack for a few seconds, allowing you to skip (or at least, delay) a particularly nasty special attack.

Originally Posted by aleph_null

And by the way healers also deal with the same thing, overhealing isn't useful.

Except that more piety doesn't automatically means overhealing. The more you have, the more powerfull your spells are, allowing you to bring people up faster by having to cast less spells.