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    Marcellus_Cassius's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    They already know this, they already said this in less words.
    In the end, you're asking for something, while a larger portion are asking for something else.

    Which would be fine, but when you say their reasons for wanting their choice is because "it's not unique enough" you cant give an example too similar to something already done as well.

    Is what you're saying different? Yes. But "how" different is subjective.

    And arguing will solve nothing.

    We have buffs that have visual indicators already (Wrath), and we even have abilities that dont show an icon when activated (Each Mudra step)
    One is magic, one is not. (Though in FFXIV everything is Aether, so even all melee are technically magical to some extent)

    Im the kinda person who is like, I want a class in all platemail, with a 2h great sword, who melees, but is a healer.
    That combo usually never exists, or if it does, is weaker than if it used a staff/mace/ what ever.
    So I understand how wanting a combination not normally used is likable, but to say what everyone else wants to see isnt, for essentially the same reasoning, is just silly.

    He's not suggesting it doesnt have an icon, he means he likes the visuals, just as someone would like the glamor of another set of armor.
    (Plus SE wouldnt do it that way anyways, so its pointless)
    All I said was Samurai was played out, and criticized how classic jobs get priority in development. The spell dancer was just an example for whoever requested on how there can be creative alternatives to fill standard roles (ie dual wield dps) and was not meant to argue for or against ninja or how some jobs are not unique enough; the point was to exemplify how differences are possible for jobs in the same class thereby the reference (Ninja) and the other possibility being suggested (Spell Dancer) had to have some commonality (Dual Wielding). All this was is an opinion and like subjectivity everyones got one. And in less words? How rude of you, if you look back we were going back and forth getting nowhere, summarizing helped.
    It comes down to is ninja the only dual wielding job? Is samurai the only two handed DPS in its class? Are there others? To disagree with me is to say they don't exist. Which is simply untrue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius View Post
    All I said was Samurai was played out, and criticized how classic jobs get priority in development.
    I don't necessarily disagree with you, but keep in mind one of the core ideas of FFXIV 1.0 was to have new and unique classes (I miss my OG thaumaturge!), and one of the first things they announced to save the game was the introduction of traditional jobs. So I can't really blame theme for prioritizing the more traditional jobs. (Then again, AST and MCH indicate they aren't solely beholden to them.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius View Post
    All I said was Samurai was played out, and criticized how classic jobs get priority in development. The spell dancer was just an example for whoever requested on how there can be creative alternatives to fill standard roles (ie dual wield dps) and was not meant to argue for or against ninja or how some jobs are not unique enough; the point was to exemplify how differences are possible for jobs in the same class thereby the reference (Ninja) and the other possibility being suggested (Spell Dancer) had to have some commonality (Dual Wielding). All this was is an opinion and like subjectivity everyones got one. And in less words? How rude of you, if you look back we were going back and forth getting nowhere, summarizing helped.
    It comes down to is ninja the only dual wielding job? Is samurai the only two handed DPS in its class? Are there others? To disagree with me is to say they don't exist. Which is simply untrue.
    Honestly don't know why you feel I'm being rude to you, when I think both of you have your points, and if anything I'm trying to get to the root of the issue, and clarify it.
    The part where I said "they said it in less words" isnt some jab at how many words you used, but saying that they already stated it, and because they didnt use as much clarification, I'm going to assume you didn't know they understood you.

    Your re-clarification seems to me that I have somehow misunderstood you, but once again, it didnt quite go against what I said either from what I gather, so I can only assume I'm not following you very well.
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    Last edited by Claire_Pendragon; 10-27-2016 at 08:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    Honestly don't know why you feel I'm being rude to you, when I think both of you have your points, and if anything I'm trying to get to the root of the issue, and clarify it.
    The part where I said "they said it in less words" isnt some jab at how many words you used, but saying that they already stated it, and because they didnt use as much clarification, I'm going to assume you didn't know they understood you.

    Your re-clarification seems to me that I have somehow misunderstood you, but once again, it didnt quite go against what I said either from what I gather, so I can only assume I'm not following you very well.
    Just quoting to say Claire understands my argument quite well with respect to the similarity between Ninja and a Spellblade. In lore, ninjas already arguably ARE spellblades, they use magic in conjunction with their martial arts. Huton is a mudra but for all intents and purposes is a spell that increases movement speed. Raiton? Casts lightning. Katon? Fireball. Suiton? Water spell. Et cetera.

    "But mudras aren't magic!" There is a quest in the game where this is debated and not solved by the ninja teacher, where the player uses Raiton to lure people to find them. Even if they aren't the quest concludes they're close enough, and in gameplay it also is a 'close enough' type of thing. And even beyond Ninja we have Dark Knight who literally does use magic in conjunction with his sword skills.

    What other classes than Spellblade are you thinking could be added to the game? Spellblade doesn't work as a unique class in the confines of XIV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius View Post
    All I said was Samurai was played out, and criticized how classic jobs get priority in development. The spell dancer was just an example
    Of course classic jobs are going to get priority. They need to sell the expansion. This expansion isn't just for current players or even players that follow every FF game. Most people know what a samurai is, it sounds cool and I'd check it out if I wasn't already playing. It's designed to attract old and new customers. Releasing something like a spell dancer doesn't inspire an "OMG! I must play it!" Just like when WoW released pandas did not convince me to go back.
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