How PL'ing killed FFXIV.

[Overkill9000]

umm i say there just needs to be more camps. i either go out to a party location and there is some pl group just wiping it... or even just another group i would prefer not to contend with out of respect. and i don't think i have enough anima to just keep going to different camps to find it is taken up again. pl doesn't bother me and i partake in it quite frequently, i see nothing wrong with it.

more camps pls!

edit: although i'm getting sick of the noobs in our ls constantly whining for pl handouts. it's like they want to be carried through the game. making ppl spoiled a bit. i usually won't pl noobs lol and usually only my friends' subs

[Quatre]

This is utterly hilarious... here is the OP's break down : http://xivpads.com/?6533245

Classes
50 glad
50 sentinel
37 con
36 pug
28 armorer
everything else 10 or 20ish

No kills on Ifrit
No kills on Batraal

12 / 40 NM slayed
3 / 42 Faction leve complete
28 / 134 quest complete




Clearly all the content in the game is complete for him, now the game is boring and nothing to do

^. I'm not even halfway done with all of the content and I've done a LOT. I highly doubt I'm going to manage to finish everything before 1.20

[Baxter]

You know exagerations are just like murdering the elderly right?

crack murders the elderly

[ninesunz]

This game does not have enough end game content to support this mentality. It never will. As we all know, hardcore players can clear new content faster then it can be created. Even if the success conditions are frustratingly random and the drop rates for loot is excruitiatingly low.

Don't know where you've been bro but every MMO suffers from "hardcore players can clear new content faster then it can be created."

[Issac]

You know exagerations are just like murdering the elderly right?

It's euthanasia, get it right!

And damn straight, I hope someone kills me before it becomes too painful to live. Brave New World ftw.

[Sephrick]

The notion that PLing is some rampant issues is just total bs. I've leveled three classes to 50 via pick up groups and not a single one even mentioned the desire for a power leveler. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

XIV isn't like other MMOs. MMOs that fail are either given the F2P microtransaction treatment or just laid to rest. But SE wants subs, because it's a matter of pride to not let a numbered iteration die.

So their situation is this: they have people who spent a year doing nothing but grinding with the promise that changes were coming. They're designing a new version of the game but need an additional year to complete it. In the mean time they have a bunch of people who have been capped since before 1.19 now wanting something to do other than grind more, especially if they're going to be charged subs. With so many resources tied up in 2.0, options are limited.

They made the choice to make enough capped content for their capped community to keep them busy for a year. But what about new people? Capped players won't give a shit about mid level content, so why waste the resources to develop content few will play? Just look at the chocobo escort and level 30 GC leves. The only reason they're in the game is because they're carbon copies of the high level versions. Very little is needed to add them to the game.

So a decision had to be made, if the focus of v1 is going to be that capped crowd, then new players need to reach cap at a reasonable pace, especially since all of the v1 events will be gone or altered in v2.

If it takes someone 6 months to a year to cap their first class, what would be the point of starting prior to v2? Sure, they'll get a head start. But without a character at cap they'll miss out on most of the incentive to pay the sub.

Clinging to the idealism that "MMOs should be about leveling" just isn't a reality for XIV, and that realization has to come from looking at the bigger picture. They have to design for people who already earned their grind stripes but still not alienate potential new players in their "one-time event."

Power leveling or a brief grind won't be the death of XIV. The decision responsible for that was and always will be the 2010 release date. Everything after that is just a valiant effort by a dedicated development team to either salvage the game while covering all bases or to go down swinging.

In an ideal world, XIV would have been released with fully-realized content for all level ranges, functioning party search and linkshell management tools, a complete storyline, stats that mattered, group events, a reasonable method of navigating the market wards and a myriad of other concepts that should be the bare bones basics of an MMORPG at this point in gaming.

But that's not what SE did.

The original idea was for XIV to go against the grain of its predecessor. Now Yoshida and crew have no choice but to commit to that notion in their own way.

[darkstarpoet1]

The notion that PLing is some rampant issues is just total bs. I've leveled three classes to 50 via pick up groups and not a single one even mentioned the desire for a power leveler. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

i have to disagree. when you have a level 48 con in the party that doesn't have chainspell nor raise II on their bar because and didn't know they had it nor what they do then the power leveling issue is major. people complained that leve groups were bad because you could get 100-150k in a night in an actual group, but at least then they knew what abilities they got.

getting 500k+ in a few hours while sitting on a chocobo causes those issues to happen. power leveling leads to horrible players that don't have a clue of what they are doing on the class they just capped.

[Lakefingers]

1. You are playing a game without much content. (includes grinding content and exploration content)

2. There will not be much content for quite some time.

3. This should be obvious by now.

[Issac]

So their situation is this: they have people who spent a year doing nothing but grinding with the promise that changes were coming. They're designing a new version of the game but need an additional year to complete it. In the mean time they have a bunch of people who have been capped since before 1.19 now wanting something to do other than grind more, especially if they're going to be charged subs. With so many resources tied up in 2.0, options are limited.

They made the choice to make enough capped content for their capped community to keep them busy for a year. But what about new people? Capped players won't give a shit about mid level content, so why waste the resources to develop content few will play? Just look at the chocobo escort and level 30 GC leves. The only reason they're in the game is because they're carbon copies of the high level versions. Very little is needed to add them to the game.

So a decision had to be made, if the focus of v1 is going to be that capped crowd, then new players need to reach cap at a reasonable pace, especially since all of the v1 events will be gone or altered in v2.

Clinging to the idealism that "MMOs should be about leveling" just isn't a reality for XIV, and that realization has to come from looking at the bigger picture. They have to design for people who already earned their grind stripes but still not alienate potential new players in their "one-time event."

In an ideal world, XIV would have been released with fully-realized content for all level ranges, functioning party search and linkshell management tools, a complete storyline, stats that mattered, group events, a reasonable method of navigating the market wards and a myriad of other concepts that should be the bare bones basics of an MMORPG at this point in gaming.

A compromising argument, Sephrick. This is an angle that I refused to acknowledge, but the way you presented it left me no choice but to accept. However...

The notion that PLing is some rampant issues is just total bs. I've leveled three classes to 50 via pick up groups and not a single one even mentioned the desire for a power leveler. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion.

I already dropped one linkshell because of PL. And I'm considering dropping another because there's constant PL requests/offers at least once an hour. I can't give a certain number, but ballpark figure, about 55-70% of parties I partake in start talking about bringing in a PL within given time. Maybe I'm just unlucky?

The thing is, I don't understand it. It is beyond my comprehension why anyone would even want to overuse PLing. To me, it nullifies the entire point of a MMO. Endgame, in any MMO I have ever played, wasn't all that important to me. What was always the best part is the progression to achieve the ability to partake in endgame.

I don't understand the hype about getting to endgame as quickly as possible. To give an analogy, the concept of that style of gameplay (In my opinion) is like trying to ride a carriage with square wheels. Bumpy and not very enjoyable.

[Baxter]

i have to disagree. when you have a level 48 con in the party that doesn't have chainspell nor raise II on their bar because and didn't know they had it nor what they do then the power leveling issue is major. people complained that leve groups were bad because you could get 100-150k in a night in an actual group, but at least then they knew what abilities they got.

getting 500k+ in a few hours while sitting on a chocobo causes those issues to happen. power leveling leads to horrible players that don't have a clue of what they are doing on the class they just capped.

I'm not saying I don't think PL'ing is ridiculous, but i also feel it is not my place to tell people how to play. Bad part is you run into people like that. Good part is it is usually a one time experience then you can write that person off. There are also people who have had a level 50 and came back to the game recently, and they are getting reacquainted with the system and adjusting to all the changes. I think it is kind of hard to say if this is a product of PL'ing or drastic changes to people who haven't played in a long time, most of them since before 1.18.