[petition] PS4 framerate

[Kosmos992k]

If a game doesn't have the PS4 Pro Enhanced certification, the PS4 Pro will lock itself down to being a standard PS4. No extra power.

Since when? I need a link for this, it literally doesn't make sense to do that.

With currently PS3, PS4, PC and Mac, I don't know if developers have enough resources to work on giving the CPU the extra power the GPU gets - if even possible.

PS3 no longer counts, and never did really because it uses a different code base.

PS4, PC and Mac all use the same code base with PS4 specific optimizations and Mac specific optimizations. but they all branch from the same base code.

[yotsuffy]

Since when? I need a link for this, it literally doesn't make sense to do that.

I tried to found where I've seen this information and I must admit I couldn't. Though it's not something Sony would shout from the rooftops, although we can read between the lines:

Sony created a clear logo that’ll help you identify the games that advantage of the PlayStation 4 Pro’s upgraded power.


To help players quickly identify whether or not the game they’re interested in is going to benefit from the power of PlayStation 4 Pro, Sony has designed a new sticker specifically for that purpose.

Without this certification, the PS4 Pro will safelock itself to PS4 standard. Still can't find it but sure about it. Maybe it's just a safe way to prevent games from "acting strangely" with a different CPU clock or dual GPU, and developers can easily patch their games accordingly - and get that logo. Another "proof" of my statement (in French, didn't find it in English): it says PS4 Pro will have two GPUs and will only have to shut down the second when not needed by a PS4 Pro Enhanced game.
Thinking through this, it appears that PS4 Pro Enhanced will not necessarily fully benefit from the PS4 Pro. (At least, can happen for games already developed and patched without the resources required to fully benefit from it.)

PS3 no longer counts, and never did really because it uses a different code base.

PS4, PC and Mac all use the same code base with PS4 specific optimizations and Mac specific optimizations. but they all branch from the same base code.

PS3 will still get updates till Stormblood so they must keep it in mind to even the game experience between systems. Now that Stormblood is dated, they already lack of time; they won't have time for more work. Add to it that Mac version was troublesome - to say the least - and it may have absorbed more resources than they expected.

This to say that, even if I'd love to get a good PS4 Pro Enhanced version, I don't think it will happen. They would have advertised; someone there would have said something like: "please look forward to it!" already

[Kosmos992k]

I tried to found where I've seen this information and I must admit I couldn't. Though it's not something Sony would shout from the rooftops, although we can read between the lines:
Without this certification, the PS4 Pro will safelock itself to PS4 standard.

You are wrong. That refers to certain multi-player games where framerate affects player competition, nothing else.

...it says PS4 Pro will have two GPUs and will only have to shut down the second when not needed by a PS4 Pro Enhanced game.

This right here is extremely wrong. PS4Pro does not have two GPUs, it's a single APU system.

Thinking through this, it appears that PS4 Pro Enhanced will not necessarily fully benefit from the PS4 Pro. (At least, can happen for games already developed and patched without the resources required to fully benefit from it.)

Unlocked games will gain a benefit, locked games will need a patch. FFXIV doesn't use a locked framerate.

PS3 will still get updates till Stormblood so they must keep it in mind to even the game experience between systems.

Nope, they will do nothing to the code in the PS3 client, there is no reason to, other than assets for content.

I actually cover tech and PlayPtation in particular, I've written for several news sites, and you are wrong about PS4Pro.

[Morzy]

You realize if you're going to complain here about the PS4 you may as well also complain to Sony, right?

[yotsuffy]

You are wrong. That refers to certain multi-player games where framerate affects player competition, nothing else.

I have heard that "better framerate is unfair" argument Sony made. And on the other side, they argue HDR and 4k will both improve players' experience, making their gameplay more competitive. They even sell specific controllers to improve gameplay. They can't improve framerate significantly and just try to cover it. Still, the logo refers to all game. They have/have not it = they benefit/do not benefit.

This right here is extremely wrong. PS4Pro does not have two GPUs, it's a single APU system.

The article says so. The 800MHz standard PS4 one and a second CrossFire 911MHz that can be shut down if not required.

Unlocked games will gain a benefit, locked games will need a patch. FFXIV doesn't use a locked framerate.

you didn't read me. -> logo.

Nope, they will do nothing to the code in the PS3 client, there is no reason to, other than assets for content.

you didn't read me. "nothing (...) except" is what i said.

I actually cover tech and PlayPtation in particular, I've written for several news sites, and you are wrong about PS4Pro.

I won't argue about the PS4 Pro. Because Sony says nothing about it, except: "enjoy 4k/HDR". We can only speculate about untold features.
If you have written for several news sites, maybe you know people who could answer those questions:
- If a PS4 game doesn't have a PS4 Pro Enhanced logo, how will the PS4 Pro run it? With its own full power or will it lock itself to being a standard PS4?
- Does the PS4 Pro have enough extra power to run a 1080p PS4 game at a significantly better framerate?

You realize if you're going to complain here about the PS4 you may as well also complain to Sony, right?

It is true that what Sony did with the PS4 Pro is a nonsense to me. While they officially stated that the PS4 Pro is meant to keep players from moving to PC, they're indeed speeding up the process. Unless developers manage to use the significantly better GPU for significantly better framerate, the PS4 Pro will be useful to a really limited number of people.

Or developers manage to reduce the CPU's charge. PS4 and PS4 Pro using the same code, it would benefit both. Which is the purpose of this topic

[yotsuffy]

(...)I don't go below 60FPS unless i'm in Towns, i don't know if there's this option on PS4, but on PC there's an option to limit the number of players visible, so even in Towns on PC i can maintain 60FPS if i limit the amount of characters displayed.

No option like that on PS4
If you can maintain 60fps everywhere, please, help with the 1080p60 cheap pc build topic
Share your build and the settings you alter


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[petition] PS4 framerate
1080p60 cheap pc build

[yotsuffy]

a few official fedback about the PS4 Pro

edit:
And this one about the minimum latency the new Dualshock can offer (vs previous one)... Won't affect player competition, of course.
(this comment directs to no one specifically, it's just me being mean about the crap marketing tells us.)

Please! Look at those topics!
[petition] PS4 framerate
1080p60 cheap pc build

[yotsuffy]

Bumping the topic!

Also, I understand that FFXIV can't got to PlayStation VR as long as it gets below 60fps. A solution from the devs to optionally get a constant 1080p60 would benefit in another good way!
And if that solution would be possible on PC too, Everyone could enjoy it!

Please! Look at those topics!
[petition] PS4 framerate
1080p60 cheap pc build

[Maero]

While i will not argue as you have really good intentions, Sony themselves have stated players should see benefits (framerates, better image quality, etc..) even without the "enhanced" version.
With more Power, the Pro should process stuff with greater ease.
The point being some people seem to think upgrading to a Pro is only worthwhile if you have a very expensive 4K UHD TV, this is not at all the case. Obviously those with 4K will benefit over those like myself with just 1080p tvs

As for VR Yot Suffy, do you recall years ago there was actually a video of Yoshi doing Titan in VR, personally i would get motion sickness but increasing the framerate for consoles would be great especially since the no more PS3