Bold text and bad grammar is the first sign of frustration.
na it's just lazyness in figuring out how to do different colors, bad grammar cause i'm not an english teacher, nor do i come to the forums to test out what i learned today in class. he trolled all over me, not other way around no matter who is in the right i didn't attack him or his personality nor his lol grammars. if anything he must of been frustrated and not read half the thread and just posted from the 2 words he reads from mine, i think that a bigger sign.



Uh..why does it seem so hard for most people to stick to the topic?
How about discussing ways of finding out how many players we have instead of arguing over SWTOR's graphics being similar to WoW?
Okay, we all know the number of players in FFXIV has been increasing for a while now, especially since patch 1.18/1.19, and not just people visiting for a few hours/days and going again, but people who really are staying and playing regulary.
We also know numbers wil be falling again next month when FFXIV goes P2P again and we lose the people not willing to pay yet.
So does anyone have an idea on how we could get exact numbers?
Maybe a FFXIV site which is more well-known than FFXIVpads?
Or maybe SE could just tell us? We already know population is just in the tenthousands, so would it really hurt to tell us the current numbers?


I doubt SE will say anything regarding subscribers. They will keep it hidden as long as results are subpar.
We may hear something from SE if XIV reaches a milestone like 500K players or something. They'll never say "hey we got only 80K players" (or w/e exact amount it is).
Antipika.
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If they're coping over FFXI's /search system like Yoshi said then population numbers will be found out soon after 1.20

a lot of my friends and server are playing skyrim right now. i'm thinking of finding something else to do too. i still play ffxiv but my interest is dwindling. i'll keep playing and i'll pay my sub cause i want special gift... but i'm still just kind of biding my time til 2.0.
What does it matter? If the released the population numbers what would you do with it? If there are say 30k subs would you bail? IF there are 200k would you stick around? Is the number that important to people? I'm full aware that when XIV goes P2P we'll see a big dip. At least the people who stay are here for the game, not a free lunch.
@Weeble I'm a fairly loyal gamer. I've been playing FFXI since NA launch still am, I've played Lotro for the first 1.5 years of it's existence, conan for 6 months, War for a year and change, Aion for 6 months, and Rift for 7 months. I've been With FFXIV since Alpha 1. I'll be paying for FFXIV once it goes subs because I want to support the dev team in their efforts. Not because I think currently FFXIV is fantastic, but because I want to see it get there.
So when you come into a thread and say a certain game has a huge population and a ton of content and you're not sticking around here because you've found a better game. I say "Good riddance, we'll be just fine, maybe better off without you. So long, farewell,Auf Wiedersehen, adieu, good bye."
it will be ok take deep long breaths.


Leaving aside the amazing sidetrack (funny how forums do that), It has to be at least 40k I think. Which certainly isn't good, but it's more than some other games. I'm staying when the game starts charging again, but I'm basically taking a hiatus for the month of november because basically all the AAA games this year are crammed into a 3 week period. I, being an idiot, decided to play oblivion again before skyrim, and it's already taken the better part of a week.
Anywho, I'm willing to guess any metric will be inaccurate during this heavy game release period. I'm not myself, but a lot of people are getting their Modern Warfare 3/Battlefield 3 on at the moment.

Don't kid yourself. This game is dead as heck... Maybe in a year after 2.0 hits things may improve but my god is it ever a laughing joke at the moment.
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