FFXIV FOR THE NINTENDO SWITCH

[SagaSoluna]

Actually , if the switch is powered by the Tegra X2, (which would explain Skyrim SE) it would make the Switch as powerful as the basic Xbox One.
Furthermore, stop calling it "a handheld" because it´s a hybrid console that both works (And can be set up) as a home console, AND then it can be switched and pieced together to become a handheld.

[RobbieH]

Actually , if the switch is powered by the Tegra X2, (which would explain Skyrim SE) it would make the Switch as powerful as the basic Xbox One.

How does running Skyrim SE make it as powerful as a Xbox One?

You realize devs downgrade their games depending on the Platform, just look at comparison videos between PS4 and XBOX One and you'll see.

Nintendo has been known for years to release consoles that aren't exactly technical masterpieces, aka outdated specs.

I hope i'm wrong but i highly doubt nVIDIA pulled something amazing out of Tegra.

Don't get me wrong, i'd buy the Switch if it was indeed as good as a base PS4 but i highly doubt it will happen.

As for porting it to the Switch don't forget it means spending resources on porting and not in the actual game.

[Bladesinger]

[QUOTE=RobbieH;3907504]How does running Skyrim SE make it as powerful as a Xbox One? - The Tegra X2 PASCAL is currently being used to develop Switch games with a TFLOP output of 1.6ghz which puts it right over the Xbox one and just under the PS4.

You realize devs downgrade their games depending on the Platform, just look at comparison videos between PS4 and XBOX One and you'll see. - You realize this console is being developed with "ease of development" in mind right?

Nintendo has been known for years to release consoles that aren't exactly technical masterpieces, aka outdated specs. - Nintendo decided they didn't want to compete with the other 2 and decided for this last gen that they'd rather compete with themselves then having a peeny measuring contest with Sony and MS.

Know next to nothing about what is actually going under the hood and from the sounds of things, we have a group of people who're already dismissing this console because it MIGHT have lower specs then the PS4?

[RobbieH]

Know next to nothing about what is actually going under the hood and from the sounds of things, we have a group of people who're already dismissing this console because it MIGHT have lower specs then the PS4?

Well, even if it's about the same there's a big issue, it will cost dev time to port it and due to that we can't have other thing in the game.

Also the handheld screen is small, it might (might not) be a pain to play a MMO on it, i've tried to play on the PS Vita (I play on PC but have the game on PC and PS4) and forget it, things are so small it's not even worth the effort to start the remote play.

Then, if we have a PS4/Xbox One we bother with another console with about the same specs when Scorpio and Pro are coming?

Also on the Vita i don't have L2/R2 so i can't pretty much play, if the Switch doesn't have them too i don't see how the game would work on it.

[Bladesinger]

PS4/XB1's GCN architecture is about 30% faster than R700 architecture used in Wii U, Pascal is ~40% faster than Polaris which is more or less the same as GCN flop to flop... ROUGH estimate, but Pascal should be about 90% faster than Wii U, flop to flop. (X1 is maxwell based, and again there isn't much difference between performance per flop with pascal)

For illustration purposes, X1 is 512GFLOPs, this is over 5 times faster than Wii U's 176 gflops (nearly 3 times faster than the 352gflops it sometimes gets confused to have) and somewhere around 60% of XB1's performance.

If NX is using Pascal (I don't see Nvidia pushing out another maxwell chip tbh) they can hit much higher clocks when docked, so even in the same configuration as X1 (256 cuda cores) if it is reaching 1.5ghz or 1.6ghz, you'll have 768 to 819GFLOPs (+40%) which gives you 1 to 1.15 TFLOPs, slightly under XB1. If the pascal chip is 3 SM, it would be completely possible to hit 1.228 tflops (+40%) which gives you 1.7tflops, or just under PS4's 1.843TFLOPs.

In order to reach those clocks, NX will have to have a fan in the body of the device, but that fan can be kept off while on the go, and be down clocked to 1/4th it's docked clock, which is perfect for 540p, it is also possible to waste battery and go with 1/2 it's docked clock so that it can have a terrible battery life and hit 720p. The dock can also offer a blower to help move air through the device, as long as the vents allow and the passive cooler fins are designed to be cooled from the side. An active cooler inside a device like this would be very interesting, as they could bridge the gap between devices.

Pay no attention to the speculation if you want, but Pascal is the only architecture that can bridge the gap between a handheld and a modern console.

Took that from a post up on NeoGAF and really wish I could cross reference with everyone up here on the forum side of www.gamesindustry.biz that're echoing the specs from developers that're working with the Switch's dev kits.

Suffice it to say - that IF these specs hold TRUE. the Switch is going to be down right dreamy (^-^)

[Bladesinger]

Well, even if it's about the same there's a big issue, it will cost dev time to port it and due to that we can't have other thing in the game.

Also the handheld screen is small, it might (might not) be a pain to play a MMO on it, i've tried to play on the PS Vita (I play on PC but have the game on PC and PS4) and forget it, things are so small it's not even worth the effort to start the remote play.

Then, if we have a PS4/Xbox One we bother with another console with about the same specs when Scorpio and Pro are coming?

Also on the Vita i don't have L2/R2 so i can't pretty much play, if the Switch doesn't have them too i don't see how the game would work on it.

Go watch the Switch intro video - the mobile controller actually has 2 shoulder buttons on either side - The pro controller - laid out just like the xbox controller. Either way, would be fine if the specs and details hold

[RobbieH]

If NX is using Pascal

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/1...ntendo-switch/

Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor.

and also:

The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards.

I'm afraid it will be expensive, if not it will die before it even releases, have to wait and see.

Go watch the Switch intro video - the mobile controller actually has 2 shoulder buttons on either side - The pro controller - laid out just like the xbox controller. Either way, would be fine if the specs and details hold

Yeah it does, good to know, i sw the video day one but didn't remember, so it will work fine, still the handheld screen is too small to be effective, might work for casual play but in End-game raiding it's probably a bad idea.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Know next to nothing about what is actually going under the hood and from the sounds of things, we have a group of people who're already dismissing this console because it MIGHT have lower specs then the PS4?

They're not dismissing the system in general. They are dismissing it as being probably too weak to last through several expansions of FFXIV. What good does it do to bring out FFXIV onto a new system, only to then kill all licenses for that system the next expansion? It does no good at all, and would probably hurt SE's rep if they tried that.

IF the system can handle it, and is strong enough (as is the PS4 and many PC's) to keep going for a number of expansions, then the only issue I can really see about it is trying to type with that controller. But, how big is that IF? So far as I know, Nintendo has not released that information yet.

And lets not forget, its a HYBRID console/handheld. That means something. It could be as powerful as a console, as a hand held. It could be as weak as a hand held, in the form of a console. More likely, its got some strengths of a console and some weaknesses of a handheld. It also defeats the purpose of it being a handheld if it has to be docked to get the most performance out of it.

I just hope it does not turn out ot be like the TG-16. That thing had cartridges designed to go both into it and into a handheld device. Text and whatnot had to be big enough to be readable on the small screen, but that made it way too big on the TV. This is Nintendo, so we have no idea if they learned anything from that.

[BorisDaBlade]

Also on the Vita i don't have L2/R2 so i can't pretty much play, if the Switch doesn't have them too i don't see how the game would work on it.

Actually the Vita does have l2/r2. It's the touch pad on the back of the handheld. I've played ffxiv on it before, you just need a really strong internet connection because it's basically streaming audio/ video while the ps4 runs the game.

It was kinda laggy, but I was able to run leveling dungeons with it pretty well on my pld I wouldn't try anything like nin though, lol. Ofc I've since switched to a laptop for ffxiv on the go. XD

[Bladesinger]

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/1...ntendo-switch/

and also:


I'm afraid it will be expensive, if not it will die before it even releases, have to wait and see.


Yeah it does, good to know, i sw the video day one but didn't remember, so it will work fine, still the handheld screen is too small to be effective, might work for casual play but in End-game raiding it's probably a bad idea.

Look at my 1st response to you - X2 TEGRA: PASCAL - Meaning it's the Pascal version of the X2 Tegra chip that is potentially at the heart of the Switch's graphical capability.

When the PS4 and the Xbox One launched, they're reasonably expensive - With the Switch potentially running just under the original PS4 in performance - I can't see this thing being more expensive then say $299 - Smart money puts the price right in competition with the Xbox One @ $249 and maybe below that. So um - YEA - not to bad (^-^)