What is the point of "no mods" if it is not enforced?

[HPDelron]

The things you mention are typically used by like-minded private groups looking for resources to improve themselves internally. You have little to worry about in terms of being called out for build or performance for public groups doing general content. Nobody is going to run into a standard level 60 dungeon and call out DPS numbers. They'd be quite likely to face penalties if they did.

If you're looking to advance beyond standard content you should be able to find plenty of players who are like-minded in terms of not wanting to take a metrics-driven approach.

[mattyboy77]

Just wanted to give my opinion on this subject. Why would players use these bots/tools, rather than just play the game the way it was meant to be played? It seems to me these practices take the fun outta the game. Is that not why we play games, for fun?
I play on PS4 as a dps, but I don't care if I have done more or less damage than another dps, as long as we beat the bad guys who cares?

[Mirch]

some players are just "I'm too perfect for everyone" believe they are either Tony Stark or doc Strange so the world must rotate around 'em, so they need a way to show they're mr or mrs perfect.

[Bonkleberry]

Just wanted to give my opinion on this subject. Why would players use these bots/tools, rather than just play the game the way it was meant to be played?

If used effectively, these tools increase performance in-game to a level that is not obtainable through normal play. Some people care a lot about their game performance and that enthusiasm can extend sometimes to their parties, guilds, and/or raid groups. I do not think there is anything wrong with wanting to improve game skills in a competitive sense, but there are boundaries that rules set to even the playing field for everyone involved. Third party tools that are used to enhance game play are unusable by some players (PS4 players) and some players (me included) do not want to play an MMO where these tools are allowed for other reasons. Unseemly players use these tools to get an illegitimate edge over other players who cannot or will not use them.

[gastovski]

I would really use some mods. Like when a skill is on combo rotation, a pop up near character would be great. Like "internal release ready to use" something. ESO has them, SWTOR has them, Wow has them.

[Bonkleberry]

I would really use some mods. Like when a skill is on combo rotation, a pop up near character would be great. Like "internal release ready to use" something. ESO has them, SWTOR has them, Wow has them.

And there is a reason I stopped playing one and avoided the others.

[Lulu89]

Just wanted to give my opinion on this subject. Why would players use these bots/tools, rather than just play the game the way it was meant to be played? It seems to me these practices take the fun outta the game. Is that not why we play games, for fun?
I play on PS4 as a dps, but I don't care if I have done more or less damage than another dps, as long as we beat the bad guys who cares?

(For the record be for we I start, I'm a PS4 player)

Do Sav raiding then say that, it a diff story. Gear wont help you if your lazy or crap and cant see why. There a fine line between know how to DPS and just winging it. Most Sav fights push you to the point of WTF! lol

Sure it fine if you don't care, but don't join a team that want to clear weekly to just hold them back bec you don't care. If the boss/Min Boss need everyone pushing 1700+ DPS and the monk is only doing 1400, or a Bard is doing 1600 over the Monks 1400 there something wrong.

1: Your not trying
2: You don't know your job or rotation
(Not say you! just that players need to keep that in mind)

Knowing this can help make you a better player and make you more useful to others, sad but true. You can always test your DPS skills in SSS, but if you want to know if you have the skill to push higher, the tools can help, >.> for them that use it.

[mattyboy77]

@ lulu89. Yeah I understand that as a group each individual has a job and responsible to help the group beat whatever is in front of them. So with that in mind I was in a six player dungeon and another player started complaining I was only doing 3 attack moves. These attacks stacked so I do one, then the second which does more damage than if I'd just done it on its own before the first, and then the last attack does massive damage. In between I will do aoe attacks as well, but to get the best dps means repeating these 3 attacks. Am I incorrect, should I just do random attacks that don't stack?

[Inori-Yuzuriha]

I report every player using parsers. do the same.

[Urthdigger]

@ lulu89. Yeah I understand that as a group each individual has a job and responsible to help the group beat whatever is in front of them. So with that in mind I was in a six player dungeon and another player started complaining I was only doing 3 attack moves. These attacks stacked so I do one, then the second which does more damage than if I'd just done it on its own before the first, and then the last attack does massive damage. In between I will do aoe attacks as well, but to get the best dps means repeating these 3 attacks. Am I incorrect, should I just do random attacks that don't stack?

No, you don't use "random attacks". You use them in a way that makes sense. First off, you'll want to do Heavy Thrust from the side to get a 15% buff to your damage. Do that again every time it wears off.

Next, you ask if you're facing more than 2 monsters or not. If you are, spam your AoE moves (Dragonfire Dive when it's up, then Doom Spike if they're positioned in a nice way for it, or Ring of Thorns if they're not (or you got the combo from Heavy Thrust for it).

If you're NOT facing more than 2 monsters, then pick a monster and start your single target rotation. Impulse drive into disembowel into chaos thrust for starters so the monster takes 10% more damage and has a nasty damage over time. Then Phlebotomize for even more damage over time. THEN you do your full thrust combo (and don't use global cooldown attacks in-between parts of the combo, that interrupts it and you WON'T get the effect), until it's time to re-apply Heavy Thrust, Disembowel, Chaos Thrust, or Phlebotomize.

Regardless of doing AoE or singles, use your buffs and off-GCD attacks when you can. Use Blood for Blood and Battle Litany whenever possible, use Life Surge before a large attack (like Full Thrust), use Leg Sweep and your jumps (and use Power Surge before Jump when it's up) whenever they're up, and use Invigorate when you're low on TP.

This isn't even getting into cross-class abilities, or the abilities you'll learn later on. This is also all super basic stuff I was able to gather just from looking at the ability descriptions, and doesn't even get into advanced stuff like timing your buffs to get the most bang for your buck.

There is a WORLD of difference between playing like that, and just spamming your full thrust combo. You have other abilities, learn how to use them.