Crafting is not random

[CharlieXenn]

Crafting is not random? OMG are your serious? @ OP yes your pic shows that higher level recipes can be done but that's hardly conclusive evidence that crafting is not random imho. Crafting needs to come with a mental health warning, seriously! I do like to craft, when I have the patience to do it. I always use rank/job appropriate gear and upgrade that whenever possible. Currently working on GSM which is at L41 atm making Dated Goshenite Rings, which (we are led to believe) is a L42 recipe. I've just botched 4/6. The first i completely with 78 durability, the second botched at 30%, the third at around 50%, the fourth, well you get the idea. There should be an "element" of randomness in synthing but when you just get fail after fail and then a destabilise and BANG it makes me want to tear my hear out. This game is marketed on the fact that you can play any job you wish but that is BS. You need to level multiple crafting jobs just to adequately play the one you want. A little off topic here but take Ifrit for example, you gotta have Sentinel just to survive Hellfire. You aint getting in a party without it! You need multiple skills from pretty much all the crafting jobs too just to have a decent stab at completing some recipes. Well done SE! I know this is going to change shortly with the rank specific traits etc. but I just hope they give each job similar abilities because otherwise we're screwed!

I have tested out spamming standard synthesis without abilities and can complete a recipe. Then I will do the same recipe using abilities and bust it. I have taken off all my gear and completed a recipe only to put back on and fail the next!! And WTF did they do with destabilise? It can happen on every synth. Get a destabilise on your first attempt and ur basically screwed!! Also how the hell can the lightning element destabilise when I'm using fire shards and wind crystals? A few people have said to me the game has decided whether or not you are going to complete a recipe as soon as you begin it and from my experience, I'm included to agree. Random, random, random /scream

We still dont know for certain what craftsmanship and magic craftsmanship actually do! I just wish SE would stop treating us like fools and actually give us some insight into some of the other stats in game so we can play to our best and excel at the job(s) we actually WANT to level. There are days I wish this game would fail. That sounds a little harsh but SE need to realise they cant just treat us like fools and keep us in the dark about everything and get away with it just because they are SE!

I apologise for the rant; it has been about 3 months of frustration in the making!! I enjoy playing XIV and have put a lot of hours into it but seriously crafting should come with a mental health warning!!

I know changes have been made and there are going to be further changes but PLEASE SE in the name of all things holy, get it right this time!! That is all lol!

[tymora]

CharlieXenn, your post fails big time. Do your research before ranting...

Currently working on GSM which is at L41 atm making Dated Goshenite Rings, which (we are led to believe) is a L42 recipe.

That's because it is a Level 49 recipe. Electrum Rings are 44. The gemmed ones are 49.
And use a grinding wheel. All rings use magic craftsmanship.

I am surprised you didn't fail 6/6. Randomness helped you succeed the 2 times here, not the other way round...

A little off topic here but take Ifrit for example, you gotta have Sentinel just to survive Hellfire.

You can survive with Emulate too or just boost your HP with a lot of materia.

[syntaxlies]

he could be using a compabny manual, i get over 900xp when i use them

post a ful screen shot please

[CharlieXenn]

CharlieXenn, your post fails big time. Do your research before ranting...

ZAM has Dated Goshenite Rings down as L42. I do believe that constitutes "research." Anyway you have missed the point. I said "we are led to believe." That is because there is never any proper information from SE. Even the Lodestone only puts recipe ranges down i.e. 41-50 which isn't incredibly helpful at times (again, research).

I would be intrigued to see the 'official' confirmation that the rings are magic craftsmanship-orientated but I will try that and thanks for the suggestion.

Good luck getting into an Ifrit party without Sentinel ... 99% of parties won't even take you without it.

@ VenusDoom: Nearly broke my mouse clicking the like button so hard on your post! Couldn't agree more!

[neizero]

Hand of the Gods (R36 alchemy) + Perfection (R30 carpenter) and you can craft stuff +10 LV consistently, probably even less botches than the OP shows. Throw in Crafting scroll for 1k+ exp/synth!!

[tymora]

ZAM has Dated Goshenite Rings down as L42

Then ZAM is wrong. While several recipes (mostly related to raw materials) were lowered in difficulty, the GSM recipes were not adjusted in levels in 1.19 at all.
If you looked at YG, the levels are correctly listed as 49.

And you could have inferred the levels from the exp you're getting as well. You should have gotten around about 650 exp on the ones you succeeded on. Base 250 at same level + 50 per additional level.

I would be intrigued to see the 'official' confirmation that the rings are magic craftsmanship-orientated but I will try that and thanks for the suggestion.

Just do it once and you'll confirm it yourself. Folks nowadays just seems so lazy to me when they want "official" confirmation on everything.

Good luck getting into an Ifrit party without Sentinel

Already cleared it once. I have a good LS...haha

[Bahn]

Hand of the Gods (R36 alchemy) + Perfection (R30 carpenter) and you can craft stuff +10 LV consistently, probably even less botches than the OP shows. Throw in Crafting scroll for 1k+ exp/synth!!

Look at VenusDoom's post, then look at Charlie's post.

It is beyond ridiculous to have to level two crafts to high levels (mind you, it takes significantly longer to get to rank 30/36 in a craft versus 30/36 for a Disciple of War/Disciple of Magic class) to minimize the randomness of the current system. You're essentially saying that anyone who doesn't get Hand of the Gods and Perfection is gimped.

That's foolish. What should be the case is that if you have these two skills, your leveling and crafting ability should be enhanced. You shouldn't be required to have these two skills to mitigate the randomness of crafting.

[tymora]

You shouldn't be required to have these two skills to mitigate the randomness of crafting.

You aren't. You only need to get the L10 abilities from a few crafts. Maybe 30 min work in each craft.

[UnsayMoon]

There will always be those who defend SE no matter what bonehead decisions they make...

Nonetheless, they are the minority.

[neizero]

You're essentially saying that anyone who doesn't get Hand of the Gods and Perfection is gimped.

That's foolish. What should be the case is that if you have these two skills, your leveling and crafting ability should be enhanced. You shouldn't be required to have these two skills to mitigate the randomness of crafting.

Wow.... Who said required? You can level without them just fine and can craft stuff +10 lv without them, you will just get more botches, this is the whole point of the armory system, you borrow abilities from other classes you have invested time in leveling to make your life easier, but they are by no means required to get your 700 exp/synth...