With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[kaptainpancake69]

The only 2 sub based MMOs left, and in WoW you can buy time with gold.

I really really hope the sub stays in FFXIV long term, because it will only improve the community. There needs to be some barrier of entry.

[Nayout]

The only 2 sub based MMOs left, and in WoW you can buy time with gold.

I really really hope the sub stays in FFXIV long term, because it will only improve the community. There needs to be some barrier of entry.

Remember FFXI?
Yeah. Yeah.

[AlexionSkylark]

What do you mean EVE is gone?

EVE didn't become F2P, it just offered a "trial" tier, and a very limited one at that.

[Kyuuen]

What do you mean EVE is gone?

EVE didn't become F2P, it just offered a "trial" tier, and a very limited one at that.

Unless things have changed since the announcement, EVE is planning to go F2P in November. Or in the least have a F2P model.

[kaptainpancake69]

All my friends run bots in WoW to pay their time, takes less than 2 days to earn the gold for a month, they even pay my sub because it takes no effort for them, I don't even have to bot myself for it.

I'm not against the ability to buy a month for gil, but I'm not sure if it's a good thing for the community. Actually the lack of bots in the Playstation community is also god sent, they can't bot even if they wanted to.

[Silvarion]

I thought WoW is not a pure sub-based anymore nowadays?

There's that thing called the WoW Token to buy subscription.

So, basically only the Final Fantasy games are the pure sub-based mmos left today.

[Cakekizyy]

I thought WoW is not a pure sub-based anymore nowadays?

There's that thing called the WoW Token to buy subscription.

So, basically only the Final Fantasy games are the pure sub-based mmos left today.

It's still P2P, just someone else is giving Blizz the money.

[alimdia]

All my friends run bots in WoW to pay their time, takes less than 2 days to earn the gold for a month, they even pay my sub because it takes no effort for them, I don't even have to bot myself for it.

I'm not against the ability to buy a month for gil, but I'm not sure if it's a good thing for the community. Actually the lack of bots in the Playstation community is also god sent, they can't bot even if they wanted to.

A few bad apples doesn't mean the whole system is bad or flawed, people will always find ways to abuse the system, if we had a sub token RMT would be gone for sure, and all that profit people give to RMT would go to SE instead, besides wow gold or ffxiv gil have no real in game value, all you can buy with it is cosmetics or a house, the best gear will always be obtained from instances or tomes.

[AlexionSkylark]

Unless things have changed since the announcement, EVE is planning to go F2P in November. Or in the least have a F2P model.

I don't know if you know EVE, so I'm gonna state a few things about the game just to be sure:
The "world map" of EVE, the galaxy of New Eden, is comprised of a couple of thousands of systems (maps), each one with a handful of planets, stations, asteroid fields, etc. Each system has a number associated to it called a Security Rating, which can vary from 1.0 (very secure) to 0.0 and beyond (hell-like lawless land). The differences are:

Highsec (sec rating 0.5 and above) - If you attack another player, CONCORD (the police) ships will attack you on sight (and there are lots of CONCORD ships patrolling each sector, and they are FUCKING OP). Besides that, you'll incur penalties and criminal status, which bars you entry in most space stations (AKA the places where you do everything in the game, since you can't land on planets)

Lowsec (sec rating 0.1 to 0.4) - CONCORD will not attack you if you shoot other people, but you'll still incur criminal status and sanctions if you do that a lot

Nullsec (sec rationg 0.0) - 100% lawless territory. Do whatever your heart desires, nobody is gonna stop you.

Geographically, the closer to the center of the galaxy, and to the borders of the NPC empires described in EVE lore, the higher the security. The so-called newbie zones are all in 1.0 space. Now, the thing is, The entire late/endgame of EVE is done at nullsec. It's only in Nullsec that you can have player corporations (EVE's FC/Guild component) lay claim to space stations, all the late-game minerals and materials are only found there, and that's where all those stories about huge battles and year-long cons happen - But like I said, there are NO LAWS in this place, so it's a PvP-heavy zone. And by heavy I mean RUTHLESS - Everyone who ventures in nullsec (and even on lowsec, even there it's not pretty) needs not only to know lots of stuff about how to protect themselves and not being seen, they also need a STRONG SHIP, because of the SEVERAL HUNDREDS of players just waiting for an opportunity to mercilessly kill you and steal your cargo, or just for a laugh. ALMOST EVERY SYSTEM has like one or two of players hunting ships 24/7, and most of them are GOOD hunters that can track you and triangulate your position even while you pull a good effort to stay below the radar. Not to mention that if a player corp has claim on a system, they are hostile to everyone who's not in their corp, so there's their automated defenses and drones too flying about - in a state of permanent everyone-against-everyone war, and Player-Owned stations are VALUABLE, they need to defend themselves.

Eve Nullsec is WILD WEST, amigo, and that's where all the cool kids are. And the Alpha players (the F2P model players) can only learn how to pilot tech one ships of their own race. That, in practical terms, means they're confined in highsec, cuz if they try to venture further, they'll undoubtely be ganked to oblivion by a ship orders of magnitude stronger than them. T1 ships are WEAK. They are made of PAPER compared to what the vast majority of players have now.

To make a comparison, it's like WoW in a PvP server, but you can't lvl past 20, and all contested zones are filled to the brim with lvl 100 players who love to pop newbs and camp their corpses.


So, that's why I say that EVE IS NOT GOING F2P. All they're offering is a GLORIFIED TRIAL, you won't see or play the vast majority of what EVE has to offer unless you shell out a sub or buy a PLEX (which essentially means someone else paid your sub).

[Xiao_]

Eve Nullsec is WILD WEST, amigo, and that's where all the cool kids are.

dangerously off-topic, but the cool kids are in wormholes