Encyclopædia Eorzea ("Lore Book") Bug Report Thread

[Morningstar1337]

(Disclaimer: don't have the book yet)

PAGE 85
HEADING: Dunesfolk
Section: Nomenclature

Not sure if this is a bug or just some really ambiguous phrasing, but it says that the spelling and pronunciation of Lalafellin names is due to them only have 5 vowels (a, e, i, o, u.) Except I'm pretty sure that the other races have the same amount of vowels as well, it wouldn't make sense unless their old language had no consonants.

Is this a bug? does the old Lalafell tongue have only 5 letters?

[reiichi]

(Disclaimer: don't have the book yet)

PAGE 85
HEADING: Dunesfolk
Section: Nomenclature

Not sure if this is a bug or just some really ambiguous phrasing, but it says that the spelling and pronunciation of Lalafellin names is due to them only have 5 vowels (a, e, i, o, u.) Except I'm pretty sure that the other races have the same amount of vowels as well, it wouldn't make sense unless their old language had no consonants.

Is this a bug? does the old Lalafell tongue have only 5 letters?

In this particular context, they could be speaking about linguistic vowels, diphthongs, etc. So something like that standard Latin pronunciation of just those letters. (Or Japanese). In that sense, there wouldn't be a linguistic vowel for the diphthong [äɪ̯] for "eye" or "light" anywhere. Or the "a" sound in something like "apple" as well, since that vowel sound isn't technically contained in a strict pronunciation of the vowels.

A vowel chart with audio examples can be found here for all the IPA sounds. It doesn't include diphthongs because those are technically combo sounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_vo...art_with_audio

[StarDrake]

It's a little something that's getting lost in translation, and reiichi is mostly right - the real-world in-joke of Lalafell names is that they're all created using exclusively Japanese gojūon and yōon phonetics. タタル・タル (Tataru Taru), テレヂ・アデレヂ (Teledji Adeledji/"Tereji Adereji"), ロロリト・ナナリト (Lolorito Nanarito), パパシャン・ノノシャン (Papashan Nonoshan), ヂュララ・ヂュラ (Dewlala Dewla/"Jurara Jura")... you get the idea. While other names might be transcribed into katakana for Japanese pronunciation, the Lalafell names are built within Japanese phonetics. Japanese has only five normal vowel sounds yes, we can split hairs about how many yōon sounds work and are romanized, but with no real equivalent of things like "hard A vs. soft A", so Lalafell names also possess only the five vowels of Japanese - soft a ("ah"), soft i ("ee"), high u ("ooh"), soft e ("eh"), and low o ("ohh").

This is the point the book was trying to convey, but without referencing the real-world conceit of Lalafellin names.

[Aysun]

PAGE: 087
HEADING: Seekers of the Sun
Section: Culture

As Kage said, this section explicitly contradicts what has been previously published on Seeker lore. It was NOT said that they're patriarchal previously, as the lore book now states they are patriarchal. It was stated that the nunh RARELY actually leads the tribe in the official naming convention thread. We were to accept that the U tribe in game was one of these exceptions due to their nunh being renowned for being one of the Company of Heroes, but that the other tribes out there were matriarchal.

[Aysun]

PAGE: 029
HEADING: The Forgotten Age
Section: The Fifth Umbral Era The Calamity of Ice

Here the lore book states that the frozen seas allowed for the migration of the Miqo'te back to Eorzea from southern Ilsabard. It also states that they were persecuted and driven from Eorzea 2000 years prior.
Previous lore statements in the game have indicated that the migration that occurred during the Age of Endless Frost was that of the ancestors of the Miqo'te coming from Meracydia. Not only does not make sense that they would be forced into Ilsabard and then need a frozen sea to return to Eorzea from Ilsabard (how did they get there in the first place if they needed the frozen sea to get back?), but it directly contradicts lore given since 1.0 and 2.0 about the origins of Miqo'te. There is also no indication of when they arrived in Eorzea originally, if the Allagans forced them out.

[Rahela]

I'm not sure if it should go in here or the bug report thread, but Leveva's entire profile is outright contradictory. First off, Encyclopedia Eorzea says 'her mother died in childbirth, and her father a scant few years later.' Except Leveva's father Rufin was murdered in Ishgard either right before or after her birth, twenty years ago, which contradicts her age being given as 16. And for that matter, a rather glaring oversight is that Leveva's mother is still alive! She tried to stop her daughter from going to Eorzea and was used as one of Sevestre's bargaining chips in the level 58 quest.

I don't know how this kind of huge mistake happened, but it's only the first major one I've managed to find, and I'm sure there's more.

(Page unknown, but located in the Astrologian section)

[StarDrake]

PAGE: 247
HEADING: Ifrit
SUBHEADING: Origin Myth

While it can be a bit hard to see due to the cursive font used (and the tiny size of it), I'm pretty sure Ul'dah is spelled "Uld'ah" in the third paragraph.

(Also, just in general, yeah, the primal origin entries are all hard to read because the fond used here is tiny, or at least seems so.)

[ColorOfSakura]

PAGE: 012
HEADING: The Three Great Continents
SUBHEADING: Othard

There is a part very close to the beginning of the first paragraph which reads:

"While Aldenard is longitudinally situated farther south than Ilsabard, the towering spires which line the region's northern border are covered in snow year round, and the land beyond them is permanently frozen."

I believe Aldenard in this sentence should actually be Othard, as Aldenard's northern regions would have seemingly no route for their waters to reach Othard unless they passed through Ilsabard as well. (The blurb also later states that mountains and wastelands are the reason for there having been little interaction between Ilsabard and Othard until recently, so I assume this would go hand in hand with that.)

[Fernehalwes]

Hello all!

I just wanted to pop back into once again to extend my gratitude to everyone who has posted here. For the most part, the errors that have been reported are, without question, errors. As for those issues reported which were not actually bugs, many of you have taken the time to explain to others why they were probably not actually bugs.

There are a few, however, which I would like to expand upon so as to eliminate any confusion that may have occurred as a result of the issue.

PAGE: 053
HEADING: Timeline
YEAR: 1561

Refers to the former sultan of Ul'dah (father of Nanamo) as Sasabaru. In Version 1.0, this name was Sasabal Ul Sisibal.

The spelling from 1.0 is correct, and the 2.0 in-game text has been fixed for 3.5.

PAGE: 087
HEADING: Keepers of the Moon
Section: Nomenclature

This seems to imply that the suffix is added to the mother's forename. So for this male keeper, Okhi is his mother's given name and Nbolo is the surname (family mother name)? This seems to contradict the lore book.

The naming conventions post on the forums is correct. This happened to be a mistake in the source JP from which we translated, and thanks to the post, I was able to inform Oda-san so he could get the JP text fixed before they went to print. While no bug is ever good (especially one like this where the text 100% contradicts what has been laid out before), this particular one contains an unintentional sneak peek into our development process. It turns out that WAY back in the day, there was talk of having some races (or clans) employ name order in which the surname comes first. We ultimately decided to scrap the idea for a number of boring reasons, but I have a feeling that the JP text that we translated might have been a remnant of an old design document.

PAGE: 154 & 155
HEADINGS: Knights of the Heaven's Ward
SUBHEADINGS: Charibert de Lieusignac & Janlenoux de Courcillaint

It appears there is some kind of name swap going on in the Heaven's Ward. In the short story, What Remains of a Knight, Charibert is given the name Charibert (de) Courcillain (Courcillaint?), but it appears in the lorebook that the last name either belongs to or was stolen by Janlenoux, the eleventh knight while Charibert's last name changed to Lieusignac. Who has the right of it?

The Lodestone story is mistaken and will be updated in all 4 languages (hopefully) soon.

PAGE: 301
HEADING: Elementals
SUBHEADING: Plasmoid (& Phurble)

This is probably more of a "times, they are a-changin'" thing, but I figured I'd leave it here for the sake of completeness. Back in the day, plasmoids were defined as voidsent. Likewise, I've never seen a phurble called an Elemental before, so that's interesting. Perhaps scholars just know better these days.

EDIT: And Dullahans are soulkin here, whereas the minion said they were "in fact" voidsent. Is this the doing of the Trappers' League or the meddling Sharlayans? /fistshake

Back before the Calamity, very little was known of phurbles, leading scholars to believe that they were voidsent (a convenient category into which a lot of creatures are categorized until better conclusions can be reached). New (post-Calamity) studies now place them under Elementals. As for plasmoids, there is a clear split as to what scholars believe. The author of this particular tome puts weight on the fact that plasmoids appear to contain high concentrations of elementally aspected aether—something severely lacking in the void.

The Dullahans...well, this is a mistake in the minion text, and will be fixed in-game for 3.5.

PAGE: 148
HEADING: Ishgard
SUBHEADING: Hindsight / A Nation's Founding

Says that (in Ishgard's version of the founding tale) King Thordan was cast into a ravine by Nidhogg. When told the tale by Alberic, he says that Thordan was thrown into a chasm by one of his own men (seduced by Nidhogg). That probably still counts, right? Cast into a ravine by Nidhogg by proxy? Before I forget about it, though, it just seemed like something one of those tiny details that, if it stayed in the scripture for a thousand years, Ishgard might have given some meaning.

You are correct. The throwing was done by one of his men (under the influence of Nidhogg). I apologize for the misleading wording.

PAGE: 95
HEADING: Limsa Lominsa's Founding a Retcon?
SECTION: History

Encyclopedia Eorzea pg13
The first, and northernmost, is a remote archipelago known as Aerslaent - homeland of the Sea Wolf tribe of Roegadyn. It is from these islands that the first inhabitants of Limsa Lominsa are said to have hailed - arriving on Vylbrand after a failed raiding attempt in the southern Rhotano Sea.

Encyclopedia Eorzea pg95
In 874 of the Sixth Astral Era, the Galadion set sail from the isles deep in the northern seas - the last of a mighty armada which turned on its nation in the name of the people, only to meet defeat at the hands of those they meant to free. The Sea Wolf crew of this noble vessel, who could no longer abide the rule of tyrants, steered her crippled hull south though unknown waters in search of a new home. After a yearlong voyage cursed by many troubles, the ship drifted to the southern coast of Vylbrand, and there ran aground.

To start, even these two passages on Limsa's founding in the lore book conflict somewhat, but comparing them to the original story has me very confused.

Frithuric
You hear the legend of how this city was born? Well, years ago, there was this mighty kingdom far to the south–so far, they say that it would take a man half his life to sail to her shores–and it had an invincible armada of twenty score times ten unsinkable battleships. They conquered nigh on every city for a thousand leagues, and were the unchallenged master of the sea…until, that is, an armada just as invincible as their own invaded their waters.

Both sides fought with the courage of lions and the ferocity of sharks, but the kingdom’s fighters, so used to doing the attacking themselves, were unsure how to defend against onslaughts of a similar nature. And so their fleet was nearly destroyed and their cities were completely razed. Only a small fleet of their fastest dromonds was able to escape the carnage under cover of nightfall. It pained the crews to abandon their lands, of course, but they knew flight was the only way to ensure their people lived on.

And so they sailed and they sailed, until one day a terrible storm–some say sent by Llymlaen herself–picked up the few remaining ships and tossed them down upon the rocks of La Noscea. The ships were too badly damaged to be rebuilt, though by this time the men were weary from their journey, and no longer wished to run. And so they salvaged the remnants of their ships and built a tiny settlement on the rocks. Over time that settlement grew…and transformed into the city you see here today.
Obviously, taking into account that NPCs are wholly unreliable narrators and legends being even less reliable sources of historical fact - this story closely resembles the first passage from Pg13, but nothing like the one from Pg95. Obviously this "southern kingdom" isn't half a lifetime away, but the southern continent of Meracydia is implied to take quite some time by boat.


This has sparked several questions: If the Galadion and Limsa Lominsa are of Sea Wolf origin, why then are three out of the four named crew members Elezen? Why does the Galadion not have a Sea Wolf name? And where did the name Limsa Lominsa come from?

But I guess the most important question, is this a retcon?

First off,

It is from these islands that the first inhabitants of Limsa Lominsa are said to have hailed - arriving on Vylbrand after a failed raiding attempt in the southern Rhotano Sea.

This was poor wording on my part. This was not talking about the founders, but some of the first inhabitants. The text would have been clearer if it had read:

It is from these islands that some of the first inhabitants of Limsa Lominsa are said to have hailed - arriving on Vylbrand after failed raiding attempts in the southern Rhotano Sea.

About the in-game explanation of how Limsa was formed, we’re not retconning anything here, merely bringing out the ‘truth’ for the first time. What has existed in-game (so far) has simply been (as you pointed out) a result of extreme embellishment on the part of the speaker. He’s told the story so many times, expanding it with each telling, that little exists of what actually happened. Thousands of ships, great battles, conquering of lands, the first voyage getting confused with subsequent raids, etc. Even “north” has become south. There are actually quite a few characters who do this in the game, and it is (for the most part) by design. I’ve always thought that having every character in the game tell you something that is 100% correct is simply not realistic. Especially in a town populated by cutthroats, brigands, cheats, and liars. Things are arguably more ‘lifelike’ if answers can only be gathered by piecing together overlapping parts in several recollections of the same story. You’ll find a lot of this in Limsa. The lore book is the historians’ version of the founding story, and therefore the ‘true’ one (as true as a historian’s record can be, mind you).

As for the four Elezen crew members on a ship that was hailing from the Sea Wolves’ homeland? There’s an explanation for this, as well, but we’re hoping to reveal it in a future storyline.

PAGE: 179
HEADING: The Empire
SECTION: Social Hierarchy

For Citizen - Lower Citizens, the "Bas" title is listed, however, lore from Gubal lists the title for citizenry as "Ban."

This was incorrect in-game, and the text has been fixed for 3.5.

PAGE: 295
HEADING: Bestiary / Soulkin
SUBHEADING: Mammet

This true Raimdelle Codex entry (by the man himself) says that mammets were invented "five score" years ago. (100 Years)
But Serendipity tells you this year that Mnejing is the first mammet ever built and is ... one century old. (100 Years)

So it's accurate, but ... Frandelont Raimdelle lived, like, centuries ago, didn't he? He can't still be alive, can he...?

Ulp! This was supposed to be a quote from the updated (newest) edition of the Codex, and not the original. So Raimdelle did not actually say this, some nameless editor did (at least that was the intention). Sorry about that and nice catch!

[ZhaneX]

The naming conventions post on the forums is correct. This happened to be a mistake in the source JP from which we translated, and thanks to the post, I was able to inform Oda-san so he could get the JP text fixed before they went to print. While no bug is ever good (especially one like this where the text 100% contradicts what has been laid out before), this particular one contains an unintentional sneak peek into our development process. It turns out that WAY back in the day, there was talk of having some races (or clans) employ name order in which the surname comes first. We ultimately decided to scrap the idea for a number of boring reasons, but I have a feeling that the JP text that we translated might have been a remnant of an old design document.

Called it.