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  1. #711
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    They could add the ability to jump straight to SB right off the bat and not kill the lore completely, but there should be a trade off. The trade off? All MSQ are counted as complete and cannot be viewed in the inn book since you never did them.

    The reasoning behind this would be that you are a new WoL that was not part of the events prior to SB, as such, you go train on your own until strong enough to enter the resistance movement and help with Ala Mihgo.
    Interesting. So, would you give those players access to the ARR and HW zones but with no MSQ questline enabled? Start them level 50/60?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    They could add the ability to jump straight to SB right off the bat and not kill the lore completely, but there should be a trade off. The trade off? All MSQ are counted as complete and cannot be viewed in the inn book since you never did them.

    The reasoning behind this would be that you are a new WoL that was not part of the events prior to SB, as such, you go train on your own until strong enough to enter the resistance movement and help with Ala Mihgo.
    Bare with me here, because I think I understand your feelings. It's one thing for some story being locked behind raids. But are you suggesting ppl can't see story cutscenes in game?

    That could work, but I don't know if I would go as far as not allowing newer players to not experience something.

    That's why I don't like the instant potion thing. They should want newer players to experience the whole game. I just think it shouldn't take as long to experience the big stuff in the older content. You can't develop empathy for a world you can't see or be impacted by.

    Like the 1.0 closure. The average person looks at it and sees the bad reviews and horrible performance. But there is something within there that 1.0 get that is magical, and no other player starting later could ever comprehend that.
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  3. #713
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    Istaru's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Interesting. So, would you give those players access to the ARR and HW zones but with no MSQ questline enabled? Start them level 50/60?
    Level 1 and no 2.0 or 3.0 quests are obtainable. Can access ARR and HW areas able to be opened through exploration.
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  4. #714
    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    Level 1 and no 2.0 or 3.0 quests are obtainable. Can access ARR and HW areas able to be opened through exploration.
    So, would they have to pay for ARR and HW content in any way?

    Also, what's to stop them from viewing the cut scenes on You Tube, circumventing the measure that you're putting in place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    They could add the ability to jump straight to SB right off the bat and not kill the lore completely, but there should be a trade off. The trade off? All MSQ are counted as complete and cannot be viewed in the inn book since you never did them.

    The reasoning behind this would be that you are a new WoL that was not part of the events prior to SB, as such, you go train on your own until strong enough to enter the resistance movement and help with Ala Mihgo.
    This honestly comes off as more petty than anything. Much less self-defeating if you want players to get invested into the story, the worst thing you could do is lock them out of it should they later become interested. (Which wouldn't work, they'd just youtube it all.)
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    They should just merge few quests. You can do that with MANY of them and there're all like "Run there and talk to him, then come back and talk to me" kind of quests.
    Tell your story, but it's really annoying. I almost didnt make it through story and was about to quit and can understand new players not going past first 30 free days.

    No point to have 3xx quests, can reduce it easy to around 100 without cutting any story/dialoges out of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    So, would they have to pay for ARR and HW content in any way?

    Also, what's to stop them from viewing the cut scenes on You Tube, circumventing the measure that you're putting in place?
    Nothing. Is there anything stopping you from watching 1.0 cutscenes on YouTube? Different, but slightly related.

    The idea is simple, if you want the story, then you have to start at the beginning of the timeline which is 2.0, then complete everything up to SB.

    If not, then choose to start at HW or SB. However, the events of HW and/or ARR have already occurred for that character.

    Someone brought up Dragon Age earlier.

    I could create a character and use the same character from DA to DA2 to DA3. I could not take my DA3 character and use it with DA. The difference here is that I can go and do things that are not based on a timeline out of sequence.

    I see the value in both arguments for and against making people complete the MSQ. I think people should be given a choice of what they want.

    If they decide later that they want to experience the story first hand, then make a new character. Just like how DA handled it since that was put out as something acceptable.
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    Last edited by Istaru; 10-22-2016 at 04:13 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikku1987 View Post
    They should just merge few quests. You can do that with MANY of them and there're all like "Run there and talk to him, then come back and talk to me" kind of quests.
    Tell your story, but it's really annoying. I almost didnt make it through story and was about to quit and can understand new players not going past first 30 free days.

    No point to have 3xx quests, can reduce it easy to around 100 without cutting any story/dialoges out of the game.
    While I am very pro story, I completely agree that there are too many MSQ quests that need to be changed to optional or condensed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    They could add the ability to jump straight to SB right off the bat and not kill the lore completely, but there should be a trade off. The trade off? All MSQ are counted as complete and cannot be viewed in the inn book since you never did them.

    The reasoning behind this would be that you are a new WoL that was not part of the events prior to SB, as such, you go train on your own until strong enough to enter the resistance movement and help with Ala Mihgo.
    Storyline would still make no sense when you go back to watching the cutscenes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane View Post
    Storyline would still make no sense when you go back to watching the cutscenes.
    I agree, but you can't stop someone from going to YouTube and watching them. If someone wants to jump in at SB to avoid the MSQ slog and YouTube it later, I say let them. Only thing I am saying is that by making that choice they should not be able to do the old MSQ on that character only.
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