Main Scenario Restriction Bloodstorm - Very Very Bad idea.

[Scarletashe]

People complain all the time about how bad players are now so imagine that new players get to start at level 60 and skipping everything to that point. They wouldn't have done any job quests to give any type of basic understanding of how the job works, they would have 60 levels worth of abilities that they don't have half a clue how to use or what's going on. What equipment would they even start with? It would be a disaster. Would anyone want a day 1 level 60 tank in your group? Would they even know how to join a group? They would be completely lost.

[ErdrickLoto]

If the Main Scenario Quest specifically is gated behind completing all 3.0 content, I'll be fine with that. Zones and features depends on what they are.

New jobs and further job quests should not be gated behind MSQ, besides getting to...say, Sylph Management and level 30 (if the new jobs start at 30), like the original jobs. If nothing else, it would let you actually level up your job with MSQ, not having you start at 30 and then being forced to grind all the way back up to 50.

[AlexionSkylark]

It's not so black and white as "you either love the MSQ exactly as it is, or you hate FFXIV." Please be reasonable.

If the story is great, why you want new players to skip it entirely?
And about it being inflated - Every book has that couple of chapters we skew over, every movie has that moment you use to go pee or something - That's not to say we should scrap the whole thing and just throw players at the ending of the 2nd third of the story. A MAJOR part of the FFXIV experience is in living the story, spending time with the characters, cherishing them, caring about them - and that takes TIME - How do you expect to build that kind of relation with the characters if you skip 2 expansions worth of stories?

[CrystalRainbow]

I know RMTs are down with the right click report. But Gating content that gets RMT ban and having to spend time speeding threw is ok for me. I'm on Balmung where we haven't seen RMT tells in all have HW and half of ARR.

As for this. China has a story and level jump. I think sadly if by 4.1 or 4.2 They will add a HW jump with level 60 and finished the story.

The problem I see with items like this... is the need to charge enough for them to make up for someone only playing for 2 months vs 6 months. They miss out on making memories which is one of the reasons people play games.


But the Leader of our FC left just after HW release got to 56 he came back from time to time to do season events and got to 58... 3 weeks left in the yokai event he came back. He got to 60 PLD 56 MCH. and was the 1st one done MSQ in 3.4 So in less then a month he did 3.0-3.4 Gearing up PLD and leveling MCH. So this should never be an issue to anyone playing for fun.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Well, that's YOUR point of view, not the devs'. Yoshida has stated time and time again how the game is entirely built around its story, and that he's actually fine about ppl who only unfreeze subs at the launch of each patch to play for a week and leave.

The Dev's viewpoint is not what makes a successful MMO. If everyone did exactly as he said, and only played a week to do the MSQ and then unsubbed, this game would have been shut down LONG ago. It is all the content this game offers that keeps people around, not the story.

The story is but one cog in this game. For those that enjoy it, it's but one of the many, many things this game has to offer. For those that do not enjoy the story or don't care, they should be granted the ability, whether its an option or if they have to pay for it with cash; the ability to get to the newest expansion. I know several friends who played and quit or want to play, but the MSQ is the biggest hurdle to them, and trudging through literally hundreds of quests spamming esc and mashing through text boxes is not their idea of fun. Reaching the endgame where I am and others are at is what they find fun.

Catering to the niche who wants everyone to do the MSQ is not conductive to the long-term health of this game. Bringing in more players and making sure they have fun from the get-go is.

[Leigaon]

Level 60, would be jumping the gun just a bit. If you use the game correctly, there's a lot to learn from 1 - 50

I do believe they could combine certain Main storyline quests into one, boost the XP and make things a bit easier. I'm not sure about giving them access to the jobs also, but maybe to the town. Yet until you've proven yourself (via MSQ) that person will not take you in to train you. Or at least make it so you have to be level 30. There is a lot to learn on the way up.

Looking though at the quests, there are some that could be put together and less the load. Sure taking out 1 quest here and there might not seem like much but it does add up over so many patches.

[AlexionSkylark]

Catering to the niche who wants everyone to do the MSQ is not conductive to the long-term health of this game. Bringing in more players and making sure they have fun from the get-go is.

Case in point, World of Warcraft - There you have it, living proof that trying to cater to a mainstream audience is not the best way to go about for a MMO. And while WoW declines and declines, FFXIV with its strong focus on the dev vision keeps getting stronger and stronger.

In the end, the type of player that won'y play FFXIV because of it's MSQ requirement is not the type of player who is wanted in the community - And that's not a bad thing. Commiting to a niche (albeit a reasonably large one) brings more success than trying to make everyone happy.

This SAME discussion ocurred regarding HSW - The game stick to the gating and players keep flocking in. Maybe not the trigger-happy happy-go-killing WoW crowd, but well... who needs them?

[alimdia]

Hey, it's not even me saying, it's Yoshida-san himself!
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...otivation_and/

You are twisting Yoshida's words, the context is people getting burned out, he never said "only sub for the story and leave after", if the story was the only good thing of this game they wouldn't invest so many resources in the 95% of non story content that covers the patch notes. He doesn't want people getting burned out from doing the same content over and over for the 3 to 4 months between major patches because that means a permanent loss of a player in the long term.

Case in point, World of Warcraft - There you have it, living proof that trying to cater to a mainstream audience is not the best way to go about for a MMO. And while WoW declines and declines, FFXIV with its strong focus on the dev vision keeps getting stronger and stronger.

Are you talking about the moss successful MMORPG in history? And the MMORPG that still has the highest playerbase?

[Chalbee]

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Again, you're putting words in my mouth. Please quote where I said I would like new players to be able to skip the MSQ in its entirety. Because I'm pretty sure all I said is trim down the meaningless fetch quests. I didn't say remove characters or plot arcs. Do you realize the ARR MSQ is 284 quests long? Meaning brand new players have to complete 284 quests + job quests + whatever side quests they pick up before they can even set foot in Ishgard and think about taking up AST/DRK/MCH. That's excessive.

It is possible to appreciate something and at the same time offer some ideas about how it may improve.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Case in point, World of Warcraft - There you have it, living proof that trying to cater to a mainstream audience is not the best way to go about for a MMO. And while WoW declines and declines, FFXIV with its strong focus on the dev vision keeps getting stronger and stronger.

In the end, the type of player that won'y play FFXIV because of it's MSQ requirement is not the type of player who is wanted in the community - And that's not a bad thing

WoW, the MMO that even now, has several million active subscribers, who's expansion has been heralded by many of its player base as one of the best ones in the past few releases? I think Blizzard is laughing at your statement as they roll around in their vault filled with solid gold coins and jewels while wearing their suits made from $100 bills.

and that's a pretty ridiculous statement, honestly. Any player should be welcome in FF14's community, as that's more players to do content with, potentially more friends to socialize with, more people to populate the more dead servers, more people funding the future success of this game.

Square is a business. They want to make the most money. Intentionally shunning potential players is a stupid move.