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    There is only so many times people can explain why you are wrong lol. It is a fact that SS is worse than Det. If you like SS, then you can use it, but you need to accept that it is not optimal.
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    Invigorate gives you 400 tp if you are not a drg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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    But you are spreading mis-information. SS is NOT a good way to build a NIN, full stop. Can you run it, ofcourse you can, but don't expect people to praise you for it. The way secondaries are done in XIV there is one, mathematically proven, best gear set to use, along with mathematically proven weights to show you what each stat is worth. The simple fact is that if you stack SS, you WILL do worse than someone that stacks Crit/Det.

    I can go in to a duty wearing full tanking accs for all that extra HP to ignore a few mechanics; can I still do some damage, yes I can, but will it be good? No.
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  6. 10-17-2016 10:51 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aijin-Sama View Post
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    Say hello to damage formulas:
    GCD/oGCD/DoT potency: ((Potency/100)*(1+WD*0.0432544)*(DEX*0.1027246)*(1+DET/7290)*BUFFS)-2
    AA: ((WD/3*aa_delay/34+1)*(DEX/6.8)*(DET/6795+1)*BUFFS)-1
    DoT buff by SS: ((SS-354)/7722+1) – [Note, this fits into “BUFFS” for damage calculation]
    More can be found here: https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/damag...her-mechanics/

    All attacks has a variance of +- 5%. These are tested and confirmed in game.

    So we do have theory proving SS to be worthless.
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    Last edited by Krindor; 10-17-2016 at 11:22 PM.

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    Thank you Krindor

    and to Aijin, if you don't understand how stuff works, please don't go around saying that you do.
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  9. 10-17-2016 11:53 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aijin-Sama View Post
    Yes again theorys not facts no realiable source.atleast give me 5 real certified source,source that shares the same consept of this theory,and theories Never proves anything so it wont prove det is good and SS is useless,Plus you didnt answer any of my questions atleast 1.
    PS I NEVER said DET is bad and SS is good just so everyone know and never said go really high on SS
    I said minimum 870 SS to get 1.95 GCD beyond 1.95 is dangerous in a lot of ways
    Unless you can't understand math I answered all 3 of your questions. Damage/Potency can be derived from the formula and the reason every attack isn't the same is because there's a variance that is +- 5% of what the formula calculates. You can go ahead and try and get these numbers yourself, I do believe I've proven my point to everyone else so no more reason to continue with this.
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