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    Advice for managing TP for PLD?

    I recently got PLD to 60 and geared up. I went into A9 and I was drained of just about all of my TP at the 50% mark. I've heard that PLD's had issues with TP but I didn't think it would be this bad. Anything I can do to make sure I don't run out this early?
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    Sorry no. If there is no one to help you, then your only option is to keep goring blade up because it's your highest damage by far, and cast a SS/Clemency or two. It sucks. Especially with the SS dump most of us have right now
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    In that particular fight, save tp by not attack when Full Metal Faust is out.
    Until Faust's body gets consumed, Refurbisher will have a massive vulnerability down.
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    Clemency and SS are our only "TP regen" skills atm unless you just want to sit there and AFK while waiting TP ticks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis_Nephthys View Post
    In that particular fight, save tp by not attack when Full Metal Faust is out.
    Until Faust's body gets consumed, Refurbisher will have a massive vulnerability down.
    For that bit the MT can attack Faust himself. Refurbisher doesn't cleave so there's less downtime for the PLD than you may think!
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    It's only a problem when your total dps is low. Ending the fight as soon as possible is the best way to not even care about your TP. But that's ofc not something you can control all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterMan View Post
    I recently got PLD to 60 and geared up. I went into A9 and I was drained of just about all of my TP at the 50% mark. I've heard that PLD's had issues with TP but I didn't think it would be this bad. Anything I can do to make sure I don't run out this early?
    Tell your dps to deal finaly some dmg and make sure your gear has not to much Skill Speed because it is not usefull at all to meld extra speed as PLD (you should remeld your sword because the materias you used are useless because +0, also meld crit and det instead of speed, because more dps = faster kills = less tp issues).

    Usualy you don't have tp issues in there except your overall dps is extremly low or you have way to much SS.
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    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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    Yeah I wasn't really paying attention with my sword. I kinda just put something in there real quick with the materia I had because I was probably going to be replacing it soon anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterMan View Post
    Yeah I wasn't really paying attention with my sword. I kinda just put something in there real quick with the materia I had because I was probably going to be replacing it soon anyway.
    That's a start, but it won't make a huge difference in regards to Tp depletion.

    A good chunk of the Tank gear that we currently have access to has Skill Speed. Even with the bare minimum, it's easily possible to flat-line your Tp at the current level in a lot of standard content. If you're rotating the typical GB>RA>RA combo, then you're doomed to run out if you're at 100% up-time, or even close to that. Currently, the only way to avoid that problem is to Tank swap, or sabotage your own dps by casting unnecessary Clemency/Stoneskin/Flash.

    What a lot of people are saying about pushing higher dps to clear content faster is nonsense as well. Firstly, most of the time you'll be running in DF. Expecting DF-Pick up Groups to push phases is lunacy. Secondly, you ran out of Tp in A9 at ~ 50% of the fight (which is pretty common from what I've seen in that fight so far). That means that the dps would have to clear the content at double the speed just for you to still have enough Tp to keep attacking. Assuming your clear was anywhere near the standard clear time for that fight, then that is an incredibly unrealistic expectation. With current gear levels, it's doubtful that your dime-store DF Dps would even be capable of pushing those kind of numbers. AS a Pld, you are also almost incapable of doing anything about pushing Dps, because you have no way of buffing your party's dps other than running in Sword Oath, which really won't be enough to speed things up enough to matter. In fact, you'll eventually hurt you party dps just by running out of TP and being unable to sustain your attack.

    Unfortunately, SE seems to think that this state of affairs is completely fine, which is why they've allowed this problem to repeat itself something like three or four times since the original ARR content. If they keep to their traditions, then they'll just patch us again with yet another Tp reduction somewhere in our rotation to hold us over until the next set of gear puts us over on Skill Speed again, and the cycle will continue. The only way to avoid it is to wash your hands of it. You're better off playing as War or Drk, neither of which suffer the same Tp drawbacks, nor do they have to rely so heavily on other jobs and party performance just to stay afloat.
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    Last edited by Februs; 10-17-2016 at 05:02 PM.

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    Khalith Mateo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
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    Pretty accurate statement but it's not so bad in certain fights. A11 normal, A12 normal, and Sophia Extreme for example have enough times where you need to move or the boss jumps that TP should never be an issue no matter what tank you are. In Xelphatol/Gubal also the DPS requirements aren't so high that you'll have TP issues unless both your DPS disconnect at the start of a boss fight.
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