There Is No Dancer (yet)

[KaitlanKela]

There's not enough evidence to say with 100% certainty one way or another.

However, after reading most of this thread, it seems that the concrete evidence points toward monk, making it far more likely. It's fair and not malicious in any way for people to point out that in all likelihood it's not a dancer so just beware you're setting yourself up for a letdown. People are gonna get hyped anyway, so please carry on, it's just not very likely that it will pan out.

I'd like to point out again that they don't reveal jobs at the NA fanfest. If it was a dancer it's a pretty obvious reveal to have the teaser trailer centered on one. From a production/marketing standpoint that's unprecedented and a pretty bad strategy (reduces demand for later fanfests by essentially releasing the product early, that econ minor again). I don't see the devs at SE being that stupid.

[Reynhart]

I'd like to point out again that they don't reveal jobs at the NA fanfest.

I'd rephrase that more like "They wouldn't tease two jobs at the first Fan Fest, with two more down the road" since Red Mage received a pretty big tease.

[Dorander]

Um now you are completely changing the argument.

First you said that people will assume things and then assume that the Dev promised them even though they didn't, and then rage when those promises aren't kept. Your example was of people doing something completely different. Now your second set of examples is of the devs actually breaking their promises?

You asked for both. You said and I quote:

Have seen people make this claim a few times, but I've never seen it. Do you have any examples? I am not trying to argue, I am legit curious about what examples there are.

People listing their disappointment in released content is not the same thing as making wild claims that the Development team promised something and did not deliver. I did not see anyone suggest in the PotD complaint threads (which are all very valid criticisms) make such a claim.

I gave examples of where the dev team promised something and didn't deliver. I also gave examples where people hyped something up and it didn't live up to expectations. Where is the confusion then? . I'm giving examples to exactly what you are asking for.

So yes, people assumed quite a bit about Palace of the Dead. When it was finally released, it wasn't as expected so people used their own personal revisionist history to 'believe' that the devs promised them something that in all actuality they never did. The hype just ran rampant till it nearly became accepted as fact.

On a random, but similar tangent: Nowhere in the original series of Star Trek does anyone say "Beam me up, Scotty!" However, folk lore says other wise.

(sorry for the off topic)

[Kaurie]

You asked for both. You said and I quote:

I gave examples of where the dev team promised something and didn't deliver. I also gave examples where people hyped something up and it didn't live up to expectations. Where is the confusion then? . I'm giving examples to exactly what you are asking for.

So yes, people assumed quite a bit about Palace of the Dead. When it was finally released, it wasn't as expected so people used their own personal revisionist history to 'believe' that the devs promised them something that in all actuality they never did. The hype just ran rampant till it nearly became accepted as fact.

You said that people will make stuff up and claim the devs promised it and then rage that the devs didn't deliver on the made up promise.

You then provided 1 example of people being upset about something that had nothing to do with made up promises.
You then listed several examples of the devs breaking actual promises.

There was no examples listed of someone making up a promise and then holding the devs accountable to it.

If there is a specific example of people who believed the devs promised something that they didn't, and then raged that it wasn't implemented, I'm all for seeing the example. Telling me that people were upset with PotD implementation is not an example of this.

[Kaurie]

There's not enough evidence to say with 100% certainty one way or another.

However, after reading most of this thread, it seems that the concrete evidence points toward monk, making it far more likely. It's fair and not malicious in any way for people to point out that in all likelihood it's not a dancer so just beware you're setting yourself up for a letdown. People are gonna get hyped anyway, so please carry on, it's just not very likely that it will pan out.

This pretty much mirrors my thoughts.

I'd like to point out again that they don't reveal jobs at the NA fanfest. If it was a dancer it's a pretty obvious reveal to have the teaser trailer centered on one. From a production/marketing standpoint that's unprecedented and a pretty bad strategy (reduces demand for later fanfests by essentially releasing the product early, that econ minor again). I don't see the devs at SE being that stupid.

Personally, I disagree here. I think that they gave us enough information to keep us talking about it, only to have an official reveal later. It seems to be working quite successfully if that is the case.

[KaitlanKela]

Personally, I disagree here. I think that they gave us enough information to keep us talking about it, only to have an official reveal later. It seems to be working quite successfully if that is the case.

Agree to disagree. If anything the Devs are very formulaic with their approach to this game. They know what people expect and they know it sells to give people exactly what they're looking for when they're looking for it.

My personal opinion: We may get Dancer this expac, we may not, but even if we do it will be entirely unrelated to the lady in red who's a monk.