Dragoon Discrimination has to end

[Chessala]

Just to make this clear: I do not play Dragoon and I am not intending to. However, my OH mains Dragoons and I have noticed quite a few things recently:

- When a Dragoon in the party doesn't die, they ACTIVELY try to kill it to make jokes
- If the Dragoon dies ONCE (while others have multiple times), watch the Dragoon jokes
- Jokes fly before the fight has even started.
- Actively hindering them to dish out good DPS just to moan about how little DPS they do.

It's not funny anymore even if YOU chuckle over your own jokes. Trying to kill a player by turning mobs onto them (when clearly not avoiding AOEs) or making sure they get certain AOEs when jump locked is not fair towards the players.

Yes, there are many bad Dragoons but there are just as many bad Bards, Monks, Paladins etc. It's actually getting sickening to a player that is not even playing the class so something is wrong here.

[Praisethasun]

Dragoon lives matter...

[MihaelB]

Dragoon lives matter...

#Dragoonlaughsmatter

[Riardon]

Yes it's a bit silly and got too old of a joke. You have to be really naive and like dad jokes to still use Dragoon jokes or find them funny. There was indeed a time when the begun that due to low magic resistance and high latency from servers too a toll to Dragoons but this is long ago fixed. Guss it will not be funny to joke about healers whwn they die or tanks or any other dps. It's just a too old joke which is not even funny anymore.

[Nora_of_Mira]

You have to be really naive and like dad jokes to still use Dragoon jokes or find them funny..

Funny Dragoon jokes? Consider me floored.

[Niqote]

Playing with a jerk will result in them acting like a jerk, regardless of what jokes are there to be made.

My SO is also a DRG, he makes fantastic DRG jokes. (When fighting Oppressor and oppressor 0.50 he died and said '' It's ok guys, I'll tank 0.25!'' 0.25 = the floor )
Roll with it... ignore stupid people. Be more awesome next time.

[Krindor]

I have yet to see this happening after maining DRG from beta to 2.5. And never heard or seens anyone being actually bullied because of his class. The only time I see anyone kill someone out of fun is because they're fooling around regerdless of class. Though the joke when they die is still there. I do believe the reason it's still here is due to the influx of new dragoon mains that switched due to it being the HW theme which added a larger portion of bad players.

[FinaSel]

I agree.

Our server is 99% Japanese speaking community, so these jokes haven't reached us. I've never heard one during the game.

But, I see the jokes so often on this forum and, to tell you the truth, I don't really understand them. I've never noticed Dragoons in my parties being any worse (or better) than other players. So, I don't really understand the joke.

It seems like a weird thing to discriminate about.

[Morningstar1337]

But, I see the jokes so often on this forum and, to tell you the truth, I don't really understand them. I've never noticed Dragoons in my parties being any worse (or better) than other players. So, I don't really understand the joke.

From what I gathered the meme of the "lolDRG" like other things in XIV, originates in XI, where DRG has as another gimmick a pet wyvern. I think from all the threads whining about XIV SMN not being XI summoner where the summons do the most damage has led be to believe that was the case for ALL pet classes in that game and that it includes DRG. The problem is...the wyvern apparently dies too often to be of use and its summon was originated tied to a 2 hour cooldown, so that means that most of the time the DRGs were dead weight and thus the butt of jokes

In this game though DRG is not a pet class, but because the devs from XI and whatever cruel sense of humor they had carried over to XIV they were marred with 3 factors that further pushed the meme.

• It's armor is more for aesthetic purposes, it was not supposed to be a tank but only slightly less fragile then the Melee DPS, however they took the fragility too far when Magic was concerned
• Animation lock from the Jumps as well as having to snapshot the original position for Jump means that using that attack carries a high rish as that snapshot is use for targeting reference. This only affects the basic Jump attack but the Jumps that actual do move were not without animation lock issues and their own risks (Try using Elusive Jump in The Navel for example)
• The enemy Ai and Latency. Thought the point of the tank is to distract the mobs the devs coded them (bosses particularly) to be a little smarter than that and thus have them occasionally attack other players with AoEs. They are usually avoidable...provided your internet connection is good. The extent of this probable for other classes is only Limited to landslide but when playing DRG and thus using Jump for extra damage the problem becomes more compounded

With that said I'd think that hindering the DRG just to make jokes at their expense, potentially causing a wipe and wasting everybody;s time (especially if this was in palace of the Dead where there are no do-overs) counts as Griefing and thus falls under Harassment as a votekick option and possibly a reporting reason as well.

[Alleo]

I agree.

Our server is 99% Japanese speaking community, so these jokes haven't reached us. I've never heard one during the game.

Strange because SE themselves love to use the joke. In that one titan video it was the dragoon that died and got the loot and it seems that they even used this joke with the fanfest stickers. I have nothing against jokes, but if someone really tries to kill someone just to be able to use one than its sad and should stop..But I also never saw this happening in all my time playing the game which does not mean that it doesnt happen but maybe there is more reason to this? (We only know one side, maybe that person was a jerk?)

In our FC we make way more jokes about Lalas and BLM. Especially the latter since our own BLM love to stand in aoes.