Lore Book Revelations

[Naria]

Tales from the Dragonsong War: Vows Unbroken also features a picture of nineteen-year-old Haurchefant who clearly hadn't hit his adult height yet, so Elezen men at least probably don't finish growing until their early twenties.

Edit: Er actually I was wrong Haurchefant was seventeen in Vows Unbroken. drat.

[Yuella]

does it mean Alphinaud and Alisaie will be tall as hell? That would suck. I'm used to seeing them like this. It's like seeing adult Porom and Palom in After Years. Doesn't seem right.

[Naria]

does it mean Alphinaud and Alisaie will be tall as hell? That would suck. I'm used to seeing them like this. It's like seeing adult Porom and Palom in After Years. Doesn't seem right.

I doubt that Alphinaud and Alisaie will ever change character models. That would require them to actually set down a firm timeline of events for the MSQ instead of the vague "time is passing" that there is now. They have continuously avoided from saying how much time has passed exactly since ARR began-- likely partially at least because all of the usual lore forum suspects are on the look out for any mention of a timeline besides "many weeks" or "a while".

As an aside, that picture of Hauchefant in Vows Unbroken is from when he was twelve, not seventeen.

Just out of curiosity would you mind giving me the quote on that? My book is still in the mail, but from the bits that I've read Haurchefant "served house Fortemps" for eleven years and I thought I also read his rescuing of Francel is part of what contributed to him earning knighthood. Twenty-eight minus eleven is seventeen so I'd like to know which bit exactly I've got wrong.

Edit: nvm found it.

[Alisa180]

Just out of curiosity would you mind giving me the quote on that? My book is still in the mail, but from the bits that I've read Haurchefant "served house Fortemps" for eleven years and I thought I also read his rescuing of Francel is part of what contributed to him earning knighthood. Twenty-eight minus eleven is seventeen so I'd like to know which bit exactly I've got wrong.

Fifteen...sixteen years now,Francel reflected. A boy of six summers, yet nevertheless old enough to assume his social responsibilities.

A silver-haired boy twice his agewas swinging a wooden sword with reckless abandon, his bare chest glistening with sweat in the moonlight.

The picture right below the second paragraph quoted essentially illustrates that scene. 6*2=12.

Also, seconding what others have said. The twins are at that point in physical maturity where they can get away with being a 'physical age' of up to 14/15, especially in Alphinaud's case (my own younger brother didn't hit his growth spurt until he was around 15, I was taller then him for the longest time and I'm only 5'3). Combined with the slower growth of Elezen, by my own rough calculations, at least two years, possibly more, would have to be confirmed to pass in-game to justify a model change for the twins to reflect their growth.

I don't see that happening. Ever.

[Naria]

The picture right below the second paragraph quoted essentially illustrates that scene. 6*2=12.

Also, seconding what others have said. The twins are at that point in physical maturity where they can get away with being a 'physical age' of up to 14/15, especially in Alphinaud's case (my own younger brother didn't hit his growth spurt until he was around 15, I was taller then him for the longest time and I'm only 5'3). Combined with the slower growth of Elezen, by my own rough calculations, at least two years, possibly more, would have to be confirmed to pass in-game to justify a model change for the twins to reflect their growth.

I don't see that happening. Ever.

I've been calculating Elezen aging at 75% the rate of humans (I was wondering the maximum amount of years in-game I could reasonably suspend disbelief that the twins had not aged) so it is nice to see that others are coming up with similar numbers. I was actually surprised when Alphinaud and Alisaise were announced for ARR because by having two prepubescent main characters SE was setting an upper limit to the amount of time you can reasonably suspend disbelief has passed. I was especially surprised since the Circle of Knowing having not visibly aged in fifteen years in 1.0 was causing all sorts of speculation. It is not too strange right now, but if the game gets to 7.0 is will seem strange that the twins haven't aged at all.

[Alisa180]

Deviating a bit here, but did the lore touch upon why Alphinaud and Alisaie are so much shorter than other Elezen despite being 17 in ARR?

Do Elezen just have one hell of a growth spurt in their early 20s?

I'm especially confused as we see Honoroit and Saulette working as servants despite using the same models as regular children, and Emanellain (spelling?) is clearly a young man but adult height...

First: The twins are 16, not seventeen.

From Tumblr:



To answer your question: Yes, according to the lorebook they do have a big growth spurt around 20.

A good rule of thumb when dealing with the 'physical' age of Elezen is to either take their known age and divide it by .8, or take a 'physical age' and multiply it by 1.2 to find out what age they actually reach that point (in comparison to other races/humans). According to a lore panel, they can live to about 120, compared to 100 for the other races, so they age about 20% slower.

Honoroit is 14, so 14*.8=11.2. His 'physical age' (relative to other races) is actually 11, hence why he has the 'child' model. Emanellain is around 26 by deduction, 26*.8= 20.8. At a 'physical age' of twenty, he's long reached his adult height.

As for the twins, 16*.8=12.8, which I usually round up to thirteen. That's why they still look like 13-year olds despite being sixteen. In 'Elezen years', they actually ARE thirteen!

Assuming they mature at roughly the same 'physical age' as humans, most boys stop growing around age 16 or 17, sometimes later. If we multiply that by 1.2, we can get how old Elezen reach physical maturity. 16*1.2=19.2, 17*1.2=20.4. That's right in the 'around twenty' ballpark described by the lorebook.

Finally, Hraesvelger says Elezen 'lose their youthful vigor' at 'two score and ten', which is 50 years for those who don't know what a 'score' is. 50*.8=40.

...Er, yeah, I did very thorough analysis of Elezen growth and age a while back. ...It was for fan fiction, alright? You have to know these things if you want to write young Elezen characters any older or younger then they are in at the time of FFXIV, because of their slower growth pattern.

As an aside, that picture of Hauchefant in Vows Unbroken is from when he was twelve, not seventeen.

[Alleo]

@Naria: I am not completely sure anymore but isnt the picture from the time where he met Francel for the first time? I do believe he was not a knight there and at the beginning Francel says: "Fifteen...sixteen years now" which I kinda take that meeting Haurchefant for the first time was around 15/16 years before that event so he should be around 12. Later on when he protected Francel its already some years later and its there where he became a knight, which is around 16/17 thanks to the information from the lore book.

And I agree with you, I dont believe that they will change the twins models much. They are still some years before hitting the growth spurt and I dont think that FF14 will play over years ingame.

[swiss_Momo]

picked up my copy earlier today. I wasn't too surprised to read that there were already multiple waves of Hyur immigration during the 5th Astral era, but I honestly didn't expect them to also have actually founded Amdapor. Well, that defenitely answers the question of "why are the corpses we fight in Amdapor city HM/Mhach Hyur sized?"
It also debunks the theory some had that Diablos was summoned by the Amdapori themselves in some desperate act of fight fire with fire

[SilverArrow20XX]

My Encyclopedia just arrived. I'll try to give it a full read over the weekend. It's so nice. I'm afraid to scratch the cover.

[Ametrine]

Considering Aliasie just got her redesign, I doubt that said growth spurt will happen soon, but 16-18 years old seems reasonable for their ages at this point.

Thank you for the thorough answers!


I think for said growth to occur without messing with us, a substantial time skip, or an expansion with the twins being absent, would be required.

(Total aside, but I'm genuinely worried about Alphi.... If Aliasie is with us now, and Alphi has grown so much... What will they do to push him aside? I can't deal with losing my companioms much more!)