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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    It's hilarious, all the improvements folks are slavering for that will never happen. Not as long as this game is held back by the PC market anyway.
    before someone else says it , u must be fun at partys :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaptainpancake69 View Post
    PS3 released in 2006 with 512 megs of RAM. Modern $200 phones come with 2 gigs. The PS3 is weaker than a modern high end phone, nevermind a PC of any sorts that came out in the last 7-8 years.
    I'm not comparing to modern high end phones. I'm talking about typical 2006 desktop PCs and laptops - not gaming-oriented PCs and laptops, mind, just regular. There are players still playing on machines like this. I know one personally, in fact. Once again, too many players think with middle- and upper-class mentalities, assuming that the majority of the playerbase is like them, able to spend thousands on PCs and peripherals per year, when that is simply not the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khemorex View Post
    before someone else says it , u must be fun at partys :P
    Actually, I tend to be cheery and optimistic! It's mindless drivel about so-called "PS3 limitations" that brings out my cynical side.

    This game is not, and never has been held back by PS3 limitations - unless you count those party members that delay your instance by a minute or so because they take so long to load in. The only people that PS3 limitations apply to are PS3 players themselves. SE has continued to develop options for PS4 and PC players, such as the W Crosshotbar - and when PS3 limits them, they don't get the feature, or get a lesser version of the feature. There's nothing that SE has wanted to add to the game but has declined to do so because of the PS3; that is all player speculation, nothing factual at all.

    Players wanted a scapegoat, and PS3 was convenient. SE is dropping PS3 now, but for financial reasons, not because of the technical limitations. I want folks to realize that these sweeping changes that PS3 was supposedly holding us back from aren't coming, before they start looking for a new scapegoat.

    SE is comfortable with the level the game is at now. It reaches a phenomenally wide base of paying customers. They aren't going to make any changes that endanger that playerbase. Why develop for hundreds of thousands, when you can develop for millions?
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    For around $200 give or take you can pick up a GTX 760 and 8 gigs of ram and upgrade a 2006 PC to blow the doors off a ps3, so nice try to those trying to say hardware limitations was not the reason for removal of PS3 support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    For around $200 give or take you can pick up a GTX 760 and 8 gigs of ram and upgrade a 2006 PC to blow the doors off a ps3, so nice try to those trying to say hardware limitations was not the reason for removal of PS3 support.
    None of which is relevant for them dropping support.

    If 40-50 percent of the game's players were playing on PS3, they would not be dropping it - would not be cutting off at least 35% (assuming some upgraded) of the revenue stream from the game. Very few people still play on PS3, not enough to justify the cost of continuing to develop and update the client for it, THAT is why they are dropping it.

    PS3 limitations going away are a nice side benefit, but you're deluding yourself if you think that those limitations are the only, or even the prime, reason for dropping support.

    Follow the money. Always, follow the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    None of which is relevant for them dropping support.

    If 40-50 percent of the game's players were playing on PS3, they would not be dropping it - would not be cutting off at least 35% (assuming some upgraded) of the revenue stream from the game. Very few people still play on PS3, not enough to justify the cost of continuing to develop and update the client for it, THAT is why they are dropping it.

    PS3 limitations going away are a nice side benefit, but you're deluding yourself if you think that those limitations are the only, or even the prime, reason for dropping support.

    Follow the money. Always, follow the money.
    I don't think it was the prime reason no, one of the reasons yes. Sorry as well didn't think about what I said until after I was away from my computer
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    I'm not comparing to modern high end phones. I'm talking about typical 2006 desktop PCs and laptops - not gaming-oriented PCs and laptops, mind, just regular. There are players still playing on machines like this. I know one personally, in fact. Once again, too many players think with middle- and upper-class mentalities, assuming that the majority of the playerbase is like them, able to spend thousands on PCs and peripherals per year, when that is simply not the case.
    Well since this is a pay to play game, I think it's safe to assume that most people are playing on something mid range that can handle this. I can't imagine too many people paying every month for a game their system can't handle. Also I really think people are forgetting that gaming pcs don't cost as much as they used to.

    You can get a $600 rig with used parts that's better than a ps4 and when the ps4 came out it was around 300-400 anyway. Save up for a bit more and get a pc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    I'm not comparing to modern high end phones. I'm talking about typical 2006 desktop PCs and laptops - not gaming-oriented PCs and laptops, mind, just regular. There are players still playing on machines like this. I know one personally, in fact. Once again, too many players think with middle- and upper-class mentalities, assuming that the majority of the playerbase is like them, able to spend thousands on PCs and peripherals per year, when that is simply not the case.
    They're killing of the low tier pcs as well. Yoshi even mentioned why support computers whos parts aren't even possible to buy anymore. PS3 limitations are majorly caused by the lack of ram, which in turn lead to the difficulty of implementing TP bars and other UI elements. The improvement to buff UI that they were talking about that helped visibility of important buffs like BotD would probably not be possible due to the restricted PS3 memory. Is it a major changer? Probably not but there's a lot of QoL fixes that can now be implemented. And the reason that people don't talk about wanting to remove low-end computers is because even with the minimum requirements if they wanted they could just add it anyways as the minimum requirements are mostly recommendations.
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