Ifirit, how it could have been done better.

[Dakin]

Well I for one support this and long have as it actually works.

Ignore the laughable "elitists", and WoW "Need for Greed will solve everything" detractors. This is a great idea and always has been. The loot system under the original NM's was the best loot system this game has ever had.

Incapacitions affecting drop rates, materials which could be crafted it was great. I wish some other people would quit the game so their terrible ideas on game design would no longer infect these forums.

Yoshi has said he intends the gear hierarchy to be as follows:

Crafted gear w/ multiple materia > rare/ex NM / instanced content drops > Crafted gear w/ a single materia

Having a horn drop which crafters can make into a weapon and sell/trade freely messes that up. You may think the following statement sounds elitist, but I don't care. I don't want Joe Lancer running around with the same gear I've obtained through defeating difficult NMs or instanced content because he has a fat wallet.

Edit: Need or Greed system is still the best system in my opinion, and from interviews it is what Yoshi is leaning towards. It still has the RNG aspect (which keeps players occupied in possibly having to clear content multiple times), but alleviates the rage induced by the current RNG on top of RNG system.

[Murugan]

Yoshi has said he intends the gear hierarchy to be as follows:

Crafted gear w/ multiple materia > rare/ex NM / instanced content drops > Crafted gear w/ a single materia

Having a horn drop which crafters can make into a weapon and sell/trade freely messes that up. You may think the following statement sounds elitist, but I don't care. I don't want Joe Lancer running around with the same gear I've obtained through defeating difficult NMs or instanced content because he has a fat wallet.

Edit: Need or Greed system is still the best system in my opinion, and from interviews it is what Yoshi is leaning towards. It still has the RNG aspect (which keeps players occupied in possibly having to clear content multiple times), but alleviates the rage induced by the current RNG on top of RNG system.

Well bully to you then because joe Lancer can go pay a number of groups to run him through ifrit while he takes a dirt nap after the first Eruption.

Need for Greed is a stupid system, which if enforced along currently equipped class completely ignores the fact that this is a multi class/character game; and if it doesn't is pointless since anyone can "need" or "greed".

The system at launch was best, they need to get back to it.

[DoctorMog]

Lets give everyone access to craft everything at any level.

All gear.

Any current and future raid gear.

All of it.

Sounds like a fun game to me.

Craft Fantasy 14™

That way I can log in for 5 minutes a week and beat the game every patch.

Because really, actually accomplishing anything in video games these days and working for anything is so last week.

[Murugan]

Lets give everyone access to craft everything at any level.

All gear.

Any current and future raid gear.

All of it.

Sounds like a fun game to me.

That way I can log in for 5 minutes a week and beat the game every patch.

Because that is the exact same thing as having a max level/difficulty craft, out of a rare drop, obtained by defeating a difficult NM.

What an absolutely pointless post. You should totally have livestreamed yourself typing it!!!

[DoctorMog]

Because that is the exact same thing as having a max level/difficulty craft, out of a rare drop, obtained by defeating a difficult NM.

What an absolutely pointless post. You should totally have livestreamed yourself typing it!!!

Exactly.

I was over exaggerating to prove my point. Thank you for the help.

By making the horns craft-able, the game becomes pointless by diminishing the purpose of the rest of the classes.

Again, Thank you for helping prove my point.

[NoctisUmbra]

Yoshi-P says he wants crafted items to be the best so crafters are needed.
Players want the drops they worked so hard for to actually be better than some cheaply made crafted item with 1 materia on it.
Ifirit drops simply piss players off to see items going to the ground.

Solution
Make the drop the HORN, and have crafters make the weapons!
So simple.

[Murugan]

Lets give everyone access to craft everything at any level.

All gear.

Any current and future raid gear.

All of it.

Sounds like a fun game to me.

Craft Fantasy 14™

That way I can log in for 5 minutes a week and beat the game every patch.

Because really, actually accomplishing anything in video games these days and working for anything is so last week.

What do you know about working for anything? I'm sorry but Ifrit's loot system does not make you work for anything when groups and actual endgame linkshells can do nothing to help their members obtain the priority items they need sooner. It is a crappy system.

[DoctorMog]

What do you know about working for anything? I'm sorry but Ifrit's loot system does not make you work for anything when groups and actual endgame linkshells can do nothing to help their members obtain the priority items they need sooner. It is a crappy system.

Thats odd, seems to me that there is still a substantial amount of players who still haven't killed Ifrit.

And if they have, how many have every weapon for all of their 50s?

Oh, and who has completed a full set of all Ifrit weapons? (I did a few weeks ago)

Nope, I don't know anything about working for the items. I have only been teaching linkshell members the fight since it came out, farming it daily for them to get the weapons they want, and livestreaming for everyone in the community to see.

Nope, nothing at all about working for it.

[Dakin]

Well bully to you then because joe Lancer can go pay a number of groups to run him through ifrit while he takes a dirt nap after the first Eruption.

Need for Greed is a stupid system, which if enforced along currently equipped class completely ignores the fact that this is a multi class/character game; and if it doesn't is pointless since anyone can "need" or "greed".

The system at launch was best, they need to get back to it.

Sure, they could add some more NM drops that are craftable, just don't make them as good as rare/ex drops that can only be obtained through ACTUALLY COMPLETING THE CONTENT.

But whatever, I'm totally for allowing everybody access to the best gear in the game and taking any difficulty or sense of achievement out of a MMO. You win.

[Dakin]

What do you know about working for anything? I'm sorry but Ifrit's loot system does not make you work for anything when groups and actual endgame linkshells can do nothing to help their members obtain the priority items they need sooner. It is a crappy system.

Need or greed bro. If you're concerned about endgame linkshells getting items quicker why are you against it?