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  1. #21
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    yea, I agree with you, fanfest cleared up a lot of things with the parallel worlds and the WOD ( devout and whitemage, etc etc)..
    I have no other wacky theories.
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    One crazy-yet-plausible theory I've been knocking around is one that started with King Moggle Mog and was further confirmed with Shiva. It's been more or less established that the primal Moggle Mog was based on a real, historical figure (albeit one steeped in myth and legend). I'm thinking that others - perhaps ALL of the others - are also based on real people or creatures.

    This, plus the fact that Allagans are able to preserve creatures alive for thousands of years, makes me wonder if we might actually MEET some of them. Garuda in particular, since the Ixali seem to be creations of the Allagans - perhaps whatever historical figure the Ixali came to associate with their mad god is still alive, preserved by the Garleans somewhere. The other Primals, as well, though the Allagan connection is much looser for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I hate to rain on the parade, but Yda is not royalty. Probably.
    Yda doesn't have to be daughter of the king to be royalty. Historically, kings have had extended families, and those extended families have had a lot of political power and often were included in the line of succession to the throne. It's hardly out of the question to imagine that Yda's dad could have been the king's brother, for example, and ALSO a prominent member of the insurgency. The king was pretty much living full-time in crazytown by that point, after all, and even a close sibling might have to make the hard decision to put his brother down for the good of the realm. (And if not close? Hey, bumping the bastard off is a great way to get his own butt onto the throne while becoming a hero to the people, to boot!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Yda doesn't have to be daughter of the king to be royalty. Historically, kings have had extended families, and those extended families have had a lot of political power and often were included in the line of succession to the throne. It's hardly out of the question to imagine that Yda's dad could have been the king's brother, for example, and ALSO a prominent member of the insurgency. The king was pretty much living full-time in crazytown by that point, after all, and even a close sibling might have to make the hard decision to put his brother down for the good of the realm. (And if not close? Hey, bumping the bastard off is a great way to get his own butt onto the throne while becoming a hero to the people, to boot!)
    During his reign, the Mad King in his paranoia imprisoned and executed all members of royal bloodline. The only known survivor is Widargelt, who was smuggled to The Fist of Rhalgr.

    Makes you wonder if the King disbanded the monks to try to kill Widargelt

    While lore book is not absolute, the information we're given is that Widargelt is the last one with royal blood left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Yda doesn't have to be daughter of the king to be royalty.
    Oh sure, I'm well aware. However there's never been talk of the King of Ruin's extended family, only "the lost heir," and nobody seems to know who it is. If Yda was the lost heir, I'd bet Gundobald would be a bit more excited when he learns she survives still. He'd also seriously mention something that important when you go speak to him now.

    Making Yda the lost princess of Ala Mhigo would kind of defeat the purpose of the game if you ask me. Yes it would be cool and yes it's plausible, but I thought the point of the game was to show what a common adventurer like us can do with enough motivation (and a divine blessing doesn't hurt, but we don't need it - see Nabriales). Yda being just another person, albeit a knowledgeable and martially competent one, is a bit more meaningful...?
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    While reading through the Encyclopedia Eorzea, a couple things came together with things we've seen in-game and this crazy theory popped in my head.

    Unukalhai is a former Warrior of Light.

    Specifically the Warrior of Light from the 13th world, the one that fell to the Ascian plotting too quickly and was thus transformed into the void, with the World of Darkness as its precipice.

    He tells us of how his world was one where champions would slay their primal-like beings and use auracite to capture their essence, becoming empowered. This eventually led to the fall of his world and the dreadful transformation of those who wielded the auracite...he then drifted alone in darkness, before being rescued by Elidibus. We do know that it doesn't require the Warrior of Light on the Source to slay primals, though without the Echo (curiously, Unukalhai has an ability similar to the Echo) it can come at a great cost...so those champions on his world need not have been Warriors of Light themselves.

    Enter Cuchulainn. As stated in the EE, there is one theory that holds that the voids creation came about due to champions, including Cuchulainn, wielding auracite to combat their plane's primals, but becoming transformed as it happened...and eventually as they warred over the dwindling source of aether, the "Flood of Darkness was unleashed."

    Seems to cleanly place Unukalhai on the same world that would become the void, does it not? So where does the Warrior of Light aspect come in?

    Igeyorhm.

    It was she that was too successful, residing in the 13th world, where her "power proved too much for the inexperienced Bringer of Light, and their one-sided battles eventually resulted in a Flood of Darkness consuming the entire world and rendering it a nigh-empty void." The same void, it would seem, from which Cuchulainn hailed. The same Cuchulainn that, according to one theory, was transformed by the use of auracite, in a manner all too similar to what Unukalhai said he experienced. Also worth noting that the WoL of the world that fell and became the void due to Igeyorhm's being too successful is described as inexperienced...which is either an error, or Hydaelyn's chosen of that realm and the champions slaying primals and becoming more and more powerful are most likely distinctly separate.

    Interesting as well (assuming that Unukalhai's world and Igeyorhm's 13th are the same world, and they sure do seem to be here), that what supposedly happened to the rest of the beings left was that they changed and became aether-starved monsters. Now there's two possibilities here - one is that Unukalhai was like-wise changed, and in a manner consistent with other voidsent, is merely occupying the body he inhabits in the Source and it is not his. The other is that he did not change and was ultimately protected - perhaps by a gift from Hydaelyn from a time when she was strong enough to at least offer that much across to the 13th.

    So that's my crazy theory - Unukalhai and Igeyorhm clashed on the 13th, but being young and inexperienced he never stood a chance, while she actively encouraged other champions of a more power hungry nature to employ the use of auracite to deal with the primal threats, knowing of its fatal flaw and believing that it would lead to the desired result of a Rejoining...but she was overzealous and moved too early, and also overestimated Unukalhai and underestimated the impact of the auracite using champions (and the timing with an attempt at an Ardor on the Source may have been off as well), and the world fell to become the void, leaving Unukalhai protected from becoming voidsent, yet alone until found by Elidibus. Partially out of gratitude and knowing full well the impact that imbalance between the Dark and Light, especially if it happens at the "wrong" time, he chose to serve Elidibus.
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    I have a theory that Unukalhai (a probably WoL) will somehow bring/ force light back into the 13th shard world. It's just how?

    One theory is that he'll get power boost from the Triad and he'll then use that power to bring light back. Afterall, Unukalhai is the brightest star in zordiark/serpens constellation ... so maybe he'll explode like Ultima which'll then infuse that world with some light.

    Another is that since Minfilia is absorbing the excess light from the 1st Shard, maybe Elidibus can convince or trick her into sending that excess light into the 13th shard world with Unukalhai being the recipient to then force light?
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    OK, I've got one.

    The disappearance of the Isle of Val was caused by it being displaced into the Void, possibly by means of a large-scale warping magic. By whom, for what reason? No idea. Could've been malevolent, or maybe it was an experiment that backfired. I'm interpreting "like in power to Ultima" as not necessarily meaning "destructive power." Urianger's report states the isle "ceased to be," and while the journal entry for the quest says it was destroyed, that may be only an assumption on our part.
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    The singing shards quest seem to be another sign that the main character has something "off" about them, that there is something abnormal about their powers, or both. I'm not sure what else to call it when your memories are so messed up they start enchanting items with detectable sorrow and the death of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    The singing shards quest seem to be another sign that the main character has something "off" about them, that there is something abnormal about their powers, or both. I'm not sure what else to call it when your memories are so messed up they start enchanting items with detectable sorrow and the death of others.
    Well they are moments of conflict. From the loser's side of things it would be a nightmarish and terrible experience. God knows there would be groups out there we have fought who would see us as a terrible villain.

    Lets not mince words here. In most of those dungeons we are killing people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I hate to rain on the parade, but Yda is not royalty. Probably.
    I've got one better.

    The girl with Papalymo is not Yda. That's why he said he shouldn't have given her the mask, because it made people recognize her as Yda. Gundobald also said she looked as young as the day she left. Watch all the cut scenes very carefully from that point forward. Clues are there. Who is she? Yda's sister, maybe.
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