I might be a bad person...but I normally give a group, if it's DF or farming, at least three wipes before I'm hoping and praying someone pops a va or drops. To me, a successful group only needs three tries to really show they know what they're doing.

Why am I going to waste my free hour in a group with 4 people getting blasted to the same thing? This isn't a clear party... right?



Now, if it's clear or learning....yeah majority of people don't get the mechs. We all mess up, and it's the impatient people that breakup a "quasi-successful" process group.