Please stop Ready Checking in front of the bosses

[SessionZero]

:does not ready check in front of boss:

NIN complains, does nothing, refuses raises, and leaves.

:does ready check in front of boss.:

NIN complains, posts thread on forums

No one wins.

This, basically. Tanks are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

[Kanitezz]

For me, ready checks are a good courtesy before a pull. Now the countdown means "ready or not this is happenin". But i only bother doing ready checks or countdowns in dungeons or trials with people i dont know.

[Pintsized]

Sadly, a lot of people support the idea of slow running and trying to find reasons to do everything slowly. I'm glad I have Shadewalker.

Because everything needs doing at a mad rush ... why?

I guess you like groups where the tank runs off and pulls all the trash before the first boss, but then whines at the healer(s) when the tank goes down due to over-cockiness.

[AriKitae]

I don't really understand it. Better use that 20 seconds to tell those ninjas about Kassatsu.

A good ninja will be using an opener that goes something like this: Huton > 20 sec > Suiton > Spinning Edge > Kassatsu > Internal Release > Blood 4 Blood > Dancing Edge (if Storm's Eye is up, Aeolian Edge) > Jugulate > Spinning Edge > Trick Attack > Shadow Fang > Raiton...



The TLDR of that is that after the 20 seconds, Suiton can be precasted while the NIN sets up buffs on themselves and debuffs on the enemy, Kassatsu can be prepped for a crit Raiton under Trick Attack's debuff.

Please notice how this allows for: 1) No loss of 20 seconds before ninjutsu can happen because Huton needed to be applied, or alternatively 2) no loss of deeps for using Armor Crush to refresh Huton instead of applying Dancing Edge.

Most importantly, if you are wasting Kassatsu to be able to apply Suiton, you are missing out on a lot of dps. I would recommend Shasta's NIN guide if you are interested in improving.

All that said: I stopped ready checking in ER, especially if I am running with jobs that have stacks that they don't want to lose. I cross the boss line, check if my party is in tow and pull. However, if you are running any content where DPS will make or break your chances of success, /readycheck + /cd 25 (when ready) will be best to do.

[Jandor]

Because everything needs doing at a mad rush ... why?

I guess you like groups where the tank runs off and pulls all the trash before the first boss, but then whines at the healer(s) when the tank goes down due to over-cockiness.

Slow and steady is fine, pointless time wasting chit chat is fine, useless & boring time wasting like 30 seconds of wordless /readychecks before every pull is a bit annoying.

[Kaurie]

I'd rather have countdown 5s than ready check. But I'm fine with insta pull too.

Yeah.

In expert roulette, don't do either. I won't be upset if either are done, but it is rather pointless.

In Alex Normal, a countdown timer is nice, ready check pretty unnecessary.

In 24 person raids, a ready check is useful, a countdown timer is pretty unnecessary.

In Ex Primals and Savage, both a ready check and countdown timer is useful.

[Evangela]

A good ninja will be using an opener that goes something like this: Huton > 20 sec > Suiton > Spinning Edge > Kassatsu > Internal Release > Blood 4 Blood > Dancing Edge (if Storm's Eye is up, Aeolian Edge) > Jugulate > Spinning Edge > Trick Attack > Shadow Fang > Raiton...

I know that.... But in casual dungeons and raids, they can have Huton prepared before entering the boss room. Either with Armor Crush on the last trash mob, or casting Huton while running to the boss room. So the first Huton casting and that 20 seconds are not needed to begin with.

[Evangela]

Because everything needs doing at a mad rush ... why?

I guess you like groups where the tank runs off and pulls all the trash before the first boss, but then whines at the healer(s) when the tank goes down due to over-cockiness.

That's what tanks supposed to do in daily dungeons.

[AriKitae]

I know that.... But in casual dungeons and raids, they can have Huton prepared before entering the boss room. Either with Armor Crush on the last trash mob, or casting Huton while running to the boss room. So the first Huton casting and that 20 seconds are not needed to begin with.

With ER and other casual/4-man content, yes. When I run as NIN in such content I just try to guess when 20 seconds before the pull will be so I can still try to practice my opener and do my best. Usually that means using Huton while traveling to the boss.

But! It is important as a Tank to know that there absolutely are times when /readycheck and a countdown will allow their party to perform to their fullest. Your OP is framed as "Don't readycheck at a boss" which does not have a caveat of "when doing 4-man roulettes/faceroll content". Making tanks think that readychecks are annoying as a blanket statement could lead to more pulls in 24 mans before the alliances are ready as well as the un-optimized DPS output in trials and raids where damage output can make or break the attempt.

[Kanitezz]

Heh. Imagine a tank that initiated a ready check And/Or countdown before literally every pull in a dungeon. Trash included. Now something like that i admit, WOULD be painful. XD