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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    I don't really understand it. Better use that 20 seconds to tell those ninjas about Kassatsu.
    The whole point is to not waste anything, especially not Kassatsu..*sigh*
    With the 20 seconds, you have the maximum time on Huton AND every single skill and ability ready for use, so you can Suiton right away AND use a DMG ninjutsu.
    It pains me that your profile says NIN is your main class and you are not aware of this :x
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Using Kassatsu on Suiton is a pretty bad DPS loss.

    Please don't insult your NIN's intelligence by assuming he doesn't know about his own abilities >_>
    Wasting 20 seconds before the pull is a much bigger dps loss.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    Wasting 20 seconds before the pull is a much bigger dps loss.
    It's not, because the fight hasn't even started yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    That's what every tank should do!
    It's actually kind of frustrating when the Tank stops and just stands there for like 45 seconds before pulling each boss. People have buffs/gcd's they're managing in between pulls or before pulls. I hate having to recast Huton 3 times in a row before the Tank decides he's going to finally pull.
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    In 4-man dungeons ready checks are not nesessary.
    But in endgame raids waiting for RC and 20 seconds pull macro is NOT a DPS loss. Phase pushing, enrage timers.
    Everyone saying that 20 seconds pull macro is a DPS loss either don't raid or just trolling.
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  6. #56
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    Wasting 20 seconds before the pull is a much bigger dps loss.
    Well, I think it's safe to assume you don't understand how DPS is generally computed, or how optimized openers work.

    No (sane) NIN is going to demand that you have a 23-second countdown before every single boss fight in faceroll content. But when it comes to NIN performing optimally, blowing Kassatsu to cast Suiton is not it.
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    Last edited by Fynlar; 10-11-2016 at 11:03 PM.

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    If you're not going to ready check before a boss, please make sure everyone is in or running to the boss ring. Thank you.
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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    It's not, because the fight hasn't even started yet...
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Well, I think it's safe to assume you don't understand how DPS is generally computed, or how optimized openers work.

    No (sane) NIN is going to demand that you have a 23-second countdown before every single boss fight in faceroll content. But when it comes to NIN performing optimally, blowing Kassatsu to cast Suiton is not it.
    It's slowing down your progress and extending the time you have to be in the duty. This thread I'm talking about daily dungeons and the casual 24 man raids, not trials and 8 man raids. People want to clear them as fast as possible so waiting 20+ seconds just so you can save Kass is not really a good idea. And as I said, they should do Armor Crush on the last trash mob so they can save everything they want, just need a tank who understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    It's slowing down your progress and extending the time you have to be in the duty....casual 24 man raids...people want to clear them as fast as possible so waiting 20+ seconds...
    Which is where you have tanks rushing into boss fights in LotA or WoD or Weeping, locking out half of the alliance, and thereby causing a wipe, which in turn makes the run last even longer (can't tell you how many times tanks--or even a healer or DPS--pulled Forgall or Ozma and locked out other tanks or some alliance's healers/DPS). I understand not wanting to be in a 24-man for long periods of time. Trust me. But rushing often leads to mistakes, which if those mistakes involve locking out an alliance's tank or healers, can cause wipes. I understand a lot of content in this game is super easy and you can pretty much smash your face on a keyboard and still clear but come on....
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    It all depends on content....

    My wife and I where talking about this. She plays a warrior as her main job. And on older content. The extra DPS really isn't going to make any difference. A few seconds.

    On things like Savage and A8-12. She will do a /cd 15 And if a DPS is ready that should be enough.
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