Raised Platform & Tabletop Attribute

[Raqrie_Tohka]

Why this feature has not appeared yet is for reasons of immersion. SE and the FF franchise place high importance on the immersiveness of their games. From simulated housing wards and actual "neighborhoods" over purely instanced housing, from making interiors of houses (which are technically instances) spatially realistic to their exterior correspondent positions, these almost "wasteful" insisting of plainness, normal-ness, are actually core ideals of the game's design. Even by observations of the winners from past interior furnishing contests, the best received entries (officially) are not the ones most original, or flamboyant, or creative, but the ones which look like they could almost have been "canon", actual houses of people living in Eorzea. Just nice, plain, and generally nice. Thus SE would never allow a feature which would undoubtedly cause more harm than good to this cohesion of immersion, and that is why using furniture irregularly and "non-realistically" like making weird towers and stacking them is not very encouraged, and thus a feature enabling that is not a priority. I am sorry.

Japanese culture places great emphasis on order, cohesion, and it would just be natural for this to be reflected in the philosophies of their cultural products. While I can understand you made your suggestion on best intentions and sincere hope of improvement for the game, I personally think the current housing system already allows for elegant and refined decoration of a house, and while I cannot dictate how other players would like to play their game, it would still be better that a feature is only made playable after it has been better designed to be as polished, graceful, and positively an improvement for the game before simply introducing it for the sake of being introduced.

Thus I hope you will continue to support FFXIV housing with the enthusiasm and passion that all who would like to see it improved, do. As I said, a feature like this is not impossible, just not yet ready to be released as is. Other features and ideas for improvement are still being considered and their possibilities explored ... perhaps in the future, in some other form, your wish may come true ^^

[Elamys]

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This is really a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. Japanese culture or not, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to place a flowerpot on top of the troupe stage. You can already do a lot of ridiculous things with housing. Someone's personal tastes shouldn't impact what somebody else wants to do, that's ridiculous.

[QT_Melon]

Why this feature has not appeared yet is for reasons of immersion.

So apparently Lalafells using step stools by our discretion is "ruining immersion"

...oookay.

Also I'll mention FFXIV Housing Snap a Japanese site to refute your claim

I'd just like to put a candelabra on the harpsichord ala Liberace.

You can make the illusion of placing objects on non placeable items if you look it up on youtube. There's a Japanese site called Housing Snap where you can see how people have gotten creative by doing so. However, not all items are table top so it is hard to create this on items that aren't. Which is one of the major reasons why I support the OP for this. The troupe stage should act like an actual table. NPCs should be a tabletop item (as silly as that sounds it's needed for things like having a Lalafell be able to sit on top of items that give them elevation and more visibility).

[Claviusnex]

You can make the illusion of placing objects on non placeable items if you look it up on youtube. There's a Japanese site called Housing Snap where you can see how people have gotten creative by doing so. However, not all items are table top so it is hard to create this on items that aren't. Which is one of the major reasons why I support the OP for this. The troupe stage should act like an actual table. NPCs should be a tabletop item (as silly as that sounds it's needed for things like having a Lalafell be able to sit on top of items that give them elevation and more visibility).

Thanks for the information about Housing Snap. It looks like a cool site.

I don't understand why any piece of furniture that has a surface that can hold items doesn't have the table top attribute (I also don't understand why I can fly over mountains but not land on them but that is for a different thread). While there are ways to make the illusion of a table top it won't work for many pieces of furniture. The harpsichord for example needs to have an open area underneath to look right so adding a table/chest underneath to allow me to place a candelabra ruins the look. I never thought of your Lalafell problem but it too makes sense that NPCs should also be able to be a tabletop item.

[QT_Melon]

Thanks for the information about Housing Snap. It looks like a cool site.

I don't understand why any piece of furniture that has a surface that can hold items doesn't have the table top attribute (I also don't understand why I can fly over mountains but not land on them but that is for a different thread). While there are ways to make the illusion of a table top it won't work for many pieces of furniture. The harpsichord for example needs to have an open area underneath to look right so adding a table/chest underneath to allow me to place a candelabra ruins the look. I never thought of your Lalafell problem but it too makes sense that NPCs should also be able to be a tabletop item.

You don't need to add a table. You need a full wall partition and a shelf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrHg-tJVHDM

I created a video on how to do the process for PS4/controller users since a lot of videos explain it for keyboard.

[Claviusnex]

You don't need to add a table. You need a full wall partition and a shelf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrHg-tJVHDM

I created a video on how to do the process for PS4/controller users since a lot of videos explain it for keyboard.

Now I understand what you were talking about. It's different than some of the compound constructions I've seen. I'll have to give that a try but doesn't change my opinion that if it's flat and solid I should just be able place an object on it.

[SokiYagami]

Why this feature has not appeared yet is for reasons of immersion. SE and the FF franchise place high importance on the immersiveness of their games. From simulated housing wards and actual "neighborhoods" over purely instanced housing, from making interiors of houses (which are technically instances) spatially realistic to their exterior correspondent positions, these almost "wasteful" insisting of plainness, normal-ness, are actually core ideals of the game's design. Even by observations of the winners from past interior furnishing contests, the best received entries (officially) are not the ones most original, or flamboyant, or creative, but the ones which look like they could almost have been "canon", actual houses of people living in Eorzea. Just nice, plain, and generally nice. Thus SE would never allow a feature which would undoubtedly cause more harm than good to this cohesion of immersion, and that is why using furniture irregularly and "non-realistically" like making weird towers and stacking them is not very encouraged, and thus a feature enabling that is not a priority. I am sorry.

Japanese culture places great emphasis on order, cohesion, and it would just be natural for this to be reflected in the philosophies of their cultural products. While I can understand you made your suggestion on best intentions and sincere hope of improvement for the game, I personally think the current housing system already allows for elegant and refined decoration of a house, and while I cannot dictate how other players would like to play their game, it would still be better that a feature is only made playable after it has been better designed to be as polished, graceful, and positively an improvement for the game before simply introducing it for the sake of being introduced.

Thus I hope you will continue to support FFXIV housing with the enthusiasm and passion that all who would like to see it improved, do. As I said, a feature like this is not impossible, just not yet ready to be released as is. Other features and ideas for improvement are still being considered and their possibilities explored ... perhaps in the future, in some other form, your wish may come true ^^

With all due respect, I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. How is attempting to put something on top of a flat surface breaking immersion? I'm sincerely curious about your perspective on interior designs. If you're talking about some crazy, over-the-top design, just limit stacking to two (or three) layers, which while difficult, should be possible coding wise. (It really depends on the coding structure.)

i'd like to be able to do this...i mean...stages...instruments...would be nice...i mean i can put a top tier massive aquarium on a table...but i can't put a piano on a stage -_-

^ this. Pretty much the reason why I created this thread.

[Raqrie_Tohka]

^ this. Pretty much the reason why I created this thread.

Er, I necro'd this thread (for you) because I actually thought you have a valid point, but one which will (unfortunately) unlikely to be taken into account and utilized; not because your point is invalid, but because of the condescending reasons I listed (which are beyond your control), and offered my condolences as well as support for your continued passion in housing?

I mean yes, that will obviously come out a bit weird. But my reasons have not changed. Also, on my perspective on interior design, have you ever tried putting a piano on a tea-table? I'd imagine the tea-table will collapse from the weight. You don't need 3 layers of piano stacking for it to count as "crazy, over-the-top" in that case.

[QT_Melon]

Er, I necro'd this thread (for you) because I actually thought you have a valid point, but one which will (unfortunately) unlikely to be taken into account and utilized; not because your point is invalid, but because of the condescending reasons I listed (which are beyond your control), and offered my condolences as well as support for your continued passion in housing?

I'm sure that people appreciate the necro because it is a feature people want, but feel like you're really reaching here and putting words in the devs "mouth" which actually kind of comes off insulting and condescending. It's a bit ironic.

Did you not mention earlier in your post that it was just merely your opinion? Now you're arguing it like you have evidence that this is actually the developer standpoint. It could be they just didn't have foresight and may take things into account when they have more patches that are housing related?

[SokiYagami]

Er, I necro'd this thread (for you) because I actually thought you have a valid point, but one which will (unfortunately) unlikely to be taken into account and utilized; not because your point is invalid, but because of the condescending reasons I listed (which are beyond your control), and offered my condolences as well as support for your continued passion in housing?

I mean yes, that will obviously come out a bit weird. But my reasons have not changed. Also, on my perspective on interior design, have you ever tried putting a piano on a tea-table? I'd imagine the tea-table will collapse from the weight. You don't need 3 layers of piano stacking for it to count as "crazy, over-the-top" in that case.

Do you know that you can already put a fish tank that's a whole lot larger and heavier (I think) than the piano on the tea-table in-game? You entire argument is already out the window before it even begin in the first place.