[Suggestion to Yoshida and the com] Third Dragoon alternative

[Volsung]

Ok explain this to me, but I'm pretty sure the XI lore was ALSO that they were Dragon killers so this statement always stumps me as a "reason" not to have it?

As for the other points ok; but also still doesn't offer any other ideas other than NO YOU CANNOT HAZ! O.o

Actually this part has been confusing me a bit, I think some people have some XI lore mixed up. DRGs and Dragonslayers were two different things in that game.

EDIT HERE > spoiler (idk the code for it so if the spoiler thing doesnt work, you've been warned.

Arminibit : You hear more and more talk of the Dragon King Ranperre these days. They say that his top vassal was a dragoon. I wonder what ever happened to all the dragoons...

Ceraulian : I heard that to become a dragoon, you had to make a pact with a living wyvern. However, thanks to the dragonslayers, there aren't that many dragons left.

Arminibit : The dragon slayers keep down the number of deadly dragons, but the number of dragoons can never go up. It's a sad, sad cycle.

Arminibit : They say that King Ranperre's top vassal, the "Last of the Dragoons," collapsed after a battle with a dragonslayer.

[Geesus]

Actually this part has been confusing me a bit, I think some people have some XI lore mixed up. DRGs and Dragonslayers were two different things in that game.

EDIT HERE > spoiler (idk the code for it so if the spoiler thing doesnt work, you've been warned.

Arminibit : You hear more and more talk of the Dragon King Ranperre these days. They say that his top vassal was a dragoon. I wonder what ever happened to all the dragoons...

Ceraulian : I heard that to become a dragoon, you had to make a pact with a living wyvern. However, thanks to the dragonslayers, there aren't that many dragons left.

Arminibit : The dragon slayers keep down the number of deadly dragons, but the number of dragoons can never go up. It's a sad, sad cycle.

Arminibit : They say that King Ranperre's top vassal, the "Last of the Dragoons," collapsed after a battle with a dragonslayer.

Cool spoiler worked so then; wth is the problem in keeping with the lore if what the Lancer job will become IS a Dragoon?! If the XIV lore and Yoshi are calling them Dragoons and they are suppose to be Dragon Slayers/killers then it's not the fault of those of us who want what you posted there from XI, it's the fault of Yoshi or the translators for saying Dragoon which you are correct is NOT the same as a GD Dragon Slayer hahaha either way, I still stand by if we are getting Drgs and not slayers to have my Wyvern back even as an "OH SHIT" attack and nothing more just to appease the QQ people and the "other" MMO people.

[Orophen]

Cool spoiler worked so then; wth is the problem in keeping with the lore if what the Lancer job will become IS a Dragoon?! If the XIV lore and Yoshi are calling them Dragoons and they are suppose to be Dragon Slayers/killers then it's not the fault of those of us who want what you posted there from XI, it's the fault of Yoshi or the translators for saying Dragoon which you are correct is NOT the same as a GD Dragon Slayer hahaha either way, I still stand by if we are getting Drgs and not slayers to have my Wyvern back even as an "OH SHIT" attack and nothing more just to appease the QQ people and the "other" MMO people.

I think you're getting confused about what's being said. The stuff quoted by Volsung is saying that Dragoons and Dragonslayers in FFXI were two different groups of people. Dragoons died out because the Dragonslayers kept killing their potential partners. In FFXIV, Dragoons ARE Dragonslayers. They are specially trained by Ishgard to hunt and kill dragons. NPC dialog and lore supports this. Check out Azury Ariella's Lore Compilation / Guide for more info.

But you know what? Screw the lore. Only a minority cares about having wyverns. The majority of us don't want it. Most have already said they'd rather have a dragoon with dragon-like abilities. No one on the wyvern side has offered anything that could possibly make wyverns look appealing to the rest of us. And nothing us anti-wyvern peeps are saying matters to you guys. So I don't think anything is going to change here. Throwing a wyvern in there just to appease a few people who can't let it go is a step backwards to most of us.

[Volsung]

I think you're getting confused about what's being said. The stuff quoted by Volsung is saying that Dragoons and Dragonslayers in FFXI were two different groups of people. Dragoons died out because the Dragonslayers kept killing their potential partners. In FFXIV, Dragoons ARE Dragonslayers. They are specially trained by Ishgard to hunt and kill dragons. NPC dialog and lore supports this. Check out Azury Ariella's Lore Compilation / Guide for more info...

Yea, sorry if I was unclear.

Two different games, two different sets of lore

XI dragonslayers and DRG are two diff things
XIV its the same thing

[Geesus]

I think you're getting confused about what's being said. The stuff quoted by Volsung is saying that Dragoons and Dragonslayers in FFXI were two different groups of people. Dragoons died out because the Dragonslayers kept killing their potential partners. In FFXIV, Dragoons ARE Dragonslayers. They are specially trained by Ishgard to hunt and kill dragons. NPC dialog and lore supports this. Check out Azury Ariella's Lore Compilation / Guide for more info.

But you know what? Screw the lore. Only a minority cares about having wyverns. The majority of us don't want it. Most have already said they'd rather have a dragoon with dragon-like abilities. No one on the wyvern side has offered anything that could possibly make wyverns look appealing to the rest of us. And nothing us anti-wyvern peeps are saying matters to you guys. So I don't think anything is going to change here. Throwing a wyvern in there just to appease a few people who can't let it go is a step backwards to most of us.

Apparently you didn't read any of the previous posts I actually DID propose a solution. But as I ALSO have said before, those of the majority, such as yourself Orophen, don't offer any constructive discussion just the "Wahhh baby I don't want it!" /pout

If the lore is again different then previous FF and especially XI FINE no issue there but then Yoshi and the Devs need to change the job name from Dragoon to Dragon Slayer or Killer or something NOT RELATED too Dragoons which most of us who played them remember them by. If that happens, I'll stand next to you and agree there should be NO WYVERNS.
Otherwise, just because others can't have a decent conversation, don't group me with them. All I have said thus far is a possible resolution, how to fix the discrepancies and asked how or why things are named the same but not the same in lore.

Also just to add, my want to have a Wyvern is reminiscent from XI and tbh, it's a fantasy game and I think it's cool to have. Just like all those SCREAMING about having their ridiculous Goobbue mounts. Opinions are like assholes, we all have one an to each other, the others opinion and ass stink.

[Andrien]

Apparently you didn't read any of the previous posts I actually DID propose a solution. But as I ALSO have said before, those of the majority, such as yourself Orophen, don't offer any constructive discussion just the "Wahhh baby I don't want it!" /pout

Apparently you didn't read any of the previous threads. Myself and perhaps others is probably tired explaining.

The discussion has been going on in many posts and threads before this one.. Instead of subtle trolling, why don't you indulge yourself in the following links. This will be the last time I'll post here.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-a-Wyvern-%29

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ould-look-like

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-and-high-DPS

[Geesus]

Apparently you didn't read any of the previous threads. Myself and perhaps others is probably tired explaining.

The discussion has been going on in many posts and threads before this one.. Instead of subtle trolling, why don't you indulge yourself in the following links. This will be the last time I'll post here.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-a-Wyvern-%29

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ould-look-like

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-and-high-DPS

No I have. They all are about the same. I have even "liked" some of those posts but as usual on this side of the globe, there's a crap ton of the same thread about the same thing and it all becomes a jumbled mess. Right now it's like w/e, I'll wait to see what the Devs do and leave it at that.

If everything changes because the have nots have yet gotten another thing changed... it'll just be another disappointment and I'll find another job to play that I will want to play post 2.0. Until then, I'll just keep playing and see what occurs later as the next year goes by. Who knows, opinions could change and SE could changes theirs as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ns-idea./page3