Peaceful debate: Does the community complain too much?

[Gemina]

Complaints are fine. Players should be allowed to express their frustrations with the game. If no one speaks, nothing changes. What's not ok, are whiny threads inviting a pity party.

Good complaints are voiced by those who would like to see the community improve. They don't come with just a problem, they also come with possible solutions and suggestions. Even if they are faceroll suggestions that will never make into the game, at least they're thinking instead of just griping.

The tantrum throwers aren't concerned with the community, only themselves and want the game to conform to their own playstyle. Their complaints are generally unwelcome, and non-contributing. How you choose to express your frustrations goes a long way in getting people to listen to them.

[MikeWW]

It's called constructive criticism. You know, when people give advice on how to make things better. The original post on the other hand is a complaint without good purpose.

[Laerune]

If people are complaining to much and about the same topic, then this is often a sign that something is wrong with the stuff that they are complaining about. Complaning like praising is a form of feedback, something a company needs to change or when they should not change something. But people do not like to see others complain, especially when they are happy with the subject that the complainer is complaning about. This why when someone complains, another player tries to demean the complainer and tries to use his/her statisfaction of the subject as a reason why the complainer is wrong.

To answer your question, I think complaining is fine, the only players should do is describe their complain and not just write 1 sentence where they say that something sucks and that they are going to quit.

[Zarcoft]

I used to try and help people see reason, and ask for them to post in a constructive manner. But anymore I don't really bother, I just play the game because I like it, it's fun, it's nowhere near perfect. But to come on the forums and demand this, or I want that, why can we have this for free is getting really old.

[Zarcoft]

To complain about a topic is one thing, but the fact most people make demands is something totally different. If you owned a business, and a few people tell you your prices are to high and show you proof and give it to you in a nice constructive manner, you would mostly likely lower them correct? But on the other hand, people come to your business demanding you lower your prices because they don't like them or feel they deserve lower prices and offer no proof, or constructive feedback in a polite manner. Most likely your going to ignore them and do what you want to do, even if they don't like it. That's happening on these forums yes multiple people may be complaining about the same issue but making demands, doesn't get anything fixed. It makes them ignore you and your opinions. Complaining is fine but when you start making demands and offer no real solutions, only one that only benefits you and the few complaining and not the community as a whole, doesn't help anyone.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Mostly because some people feel there's an imbalance with the game.
Personally, I feel that AST is way too strong right now.

[Greedalox]

Mostly because some people feel there's an imbalance with the game.

I'm trying to think of a game ever that didn't have imbalance between classes. Funny enough, it doesn't really call for making multiple entire threads every patch about class balance considering I guarantee SE is already more aware, due to their statistics on clears and parses.

I also don't think AST is WAY too strong right now, I'd argue it's pretty on par if not stronger than WHM by a minuscule amount at best. But that's just me!

[RLofOBFL]

Yes, myself included.

Mostly because some people feel there's an imbalance with the game.
Personally, I feel that AST is way too strong right now.

Oh...Exiled. I see you made your debut from complaining about AST on Gamefaqs to complaining about AST on the OF. Lol.

[Bebekurenai]

It all comes down to human nature and psycology. The human being by nature will always complain, and this is not always a bad thing. It all depends how it's phrased, if it comes with alternatives and such, or if its just plain moaning. Which also in itself isn't as bad as it seems.

To show a classic example, imagine you have a commute that requires a train. Every day, in the morning and in the evening, you make the same trip, back and forth. That's 10 times a week if you go monday to friday. In a month it's 40 times. Now, normally, your train is quiet on time, with variations in single digit minutes. That will extend to the 4 weeks in a month, and the year. And it goes without noticing, for you it's perfect. Now, imagine that during this year 2016, we're in october, and your train has been ever so punctual. But this last week it got delayed twice, on tuesday morning for 20 minutes, and thursday evening for 23 minutes. This will be outragous for you, and all you can think of is how delayed this train was. And you will comment this to your friends too, and coworkers. Now next week the same will happen, but not two days but three days, all times around 20 minutes downtime. So this month your train was late a total of 5 times, more than 20 minutes each time. For you, all that you can think of when someone asks you about your journey in general, is how late this damned train always is. And notice, you will start to include "always" in your words. No matter if the rest of the year it was on spot, all you remember at a first glance is the bad thing.

And this is just a simple example on how the human brain registers events. By reflex we are eager to point out always the bad things, and it's just basic survival. It allows us to adapt, to register new things, to solve problems.

The other question would be, are we spoiled moaners?

[Theodric]

It's called constructive criticism. You know, when people give advice on how to make things better. The original post on the other hand is a complaint without good purpose.

To be fair there's a lot of threads and posts that aren't constructive at all. Though they're not difficult to avoid. More people need to learn to filter what they read and respond to instead of getting worked up about stuff. If something is breaking the forum rules then quietly making use of the report function is far more beneficial than launching a tirade in response.