Pugs in DF Can't do A12

[Awful]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngOR...e=youtu.be&t=9
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Everyone when they pug A11-and A12 and have bad healers that's basically what I think when i'm about to die since half the time I don't get healed because the healers are dead xD,But I still clear em so it's not bad.

[Renshi]

Heya!

I can't count how many times I have found parties not able to do their job because they got carried on their clear or they were just new.

I understand that there are people who are new to the fight or don't know mechanics. What I can't understand, for the life of me, is why people like to waste their breath and fingers to insult, alienate and ignore said players.

Most of the times we wipe and somebody doesn't know mechanics, people get passive-aggressive, their manners become bad and the new player can only feel bad for...being new?

If you see elementary mistakes, always think the party has to start from scratch, explain basic mechanics and try again until you are able to do it, with patience and teamwork.

You don't just help the players like this; they will respect you, thanks to you they know something new, and in doing so you might even give them inspiration to help others. In short, you don't just help a player, but the community as a whole.

[HungryHippo]

Sounds like bad luck, tbh. There are indeed groups not capable of the fight, but most of the time people succeed after 1 or 2 wipes.

Give it time. As soon as people own good gear, DF groups are going to do the fight with ease.

Gear isnt issue when a person can do it as 235.

[Rennies]

A12 is the easiest fight for me as a Healer. Sure I wiped the first time because I didn't do the time stop mechanic correctly, but every time after was basically faceroll.

I had far more trouble with A11 and even A10.

[SpiritMuse]

Gear isnt issue when a person can do it as 235.

Sure, but higher level gear does make it a lot easier. DPS checks more easily met, damage not as punishing, makes mistakes more easily survivable and recoverable.

[aesteval]

How easy is A12:

- No one-shot mechanics. Even if you get hit by something, it's not gonna kill you, you also don't get any debuff from getting hit.

- Nothing to dodge. Compared to A11, this fight is very dragoon-friendly.

- Lame DPS check. You only have one DPS race part: the winged adds. And even if you fail it, it's not gonna kill you. Very very easy compared to A5, A7, A8, A11, and many other casual bosses that failing DPS race = wipe.

- Very forgivable. A mistake of players will not wipe the party. Maybe not for the green signal & gathering part but that's as easy as a cake walk.

So much wrong information. -_- Fortunately others have already itemized your errors.

[aesteval]

From what I've seen, everyone seems to have a problem with the Sacrament right after the Timestop. Myself included, it took a couple of lasers to the face and back for it down on me he's going to do that everytime. And the game designer's saw that coming too and showed it to us in the cut scene before hand too. The don't stack with a green arrow mechanic gets picked up pretty quickly, but I repeatedly see people not moving out of the way of sacrament again and again.

Timestop Sacrament needs players panning the camera and planning where to run while time is still frozen. There's good time to telegraph it when you know and start to look and then you need to start moving ASAP. That said, that Sacrament mixed with gravitational floor circles can be very cruel at times.

[Zojha]

Sure, but higher level gear does make it a lot easier.

Egh, the one time DPS checks weren't met in my groups was when every other DPS was doing less than half my damage and I had to jump !3! times in the isolation phase, finding the mobs at 48%-37% and 11% respectively. That's on my monk, who's only i235, so I can't even crack this up to me just having superior equip.

I dunno. With i260 I only need to jump twice there? Yaaaay!

The way I see it, it's just a lottery of whether you get a good group or a bad group. And the bad groups tend to be lost causes, with but few exceptions. I don't think gear is going to help there, unless it will allow my healers to stand in every every sacrament and get away with it.

[Ophie-Mio]

Sucks, but I only farm Alexander through DF and I've never had to vote abandon aside from my very first A12.

<_< Makes ya wonder about the real issue here...

[MeoTwister5]

FYI I tested it out a while ago, but if for some reason you can't dodge the Sacrament beam after time stop, clipping on top of Alex is actually a dead spot to dodge the beam